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03-04-2010, 11:36 PM
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you guys are missing my point - to me ramon is a stat piler , he wins a lot of races , he wins a lot of stakes races , he wins a lot of racing titles but to be remembered as one of the all time greats he is going to have to prove it on the big days - to date he has not done this , you can talk about him not getting horse until the cows come home , he is 34 this year and still has a lot of years ahead of him where he can win those big races , but , let's not put him in any elite category until he proves it on BC day and in the TC races ----- aren't those races the biggest races every year??? you want to be the top jock in the country fine , but , win on the big days and i'll shut up why is it that this board can bash the best trainer in the country regurarly- todd pletcher for not winning derby's , more tc races , more bc races and the best jock according to you experts here can't get bashed for the same failure? it's not like it's only been a year or two , he has been getting mounts for some time now in the big races i don't get it - if todd can be bashed on here for his lack of production in the tc and bc , why can't ramon be as well ??? 
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03-04-2010, 11:55 PM
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I don't think you'll get much of an argument about that.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB
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03-05-2010, 12:06 AM
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Can you give an instance when Ramon blew a ride on a big day?
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03-05-2010, 01:31 AM
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His Preakness mounts have been: Giant Moon, Xchanger, Diabolical, Scrappy T, Foufa's Warrior, Equality, and Bay Eagle ... it's like a who's who of horses that suck... and he was 2nd with the impossible Scrappy T. He's had just one career mount in the Belmont Stakes - on a mega longshot named Caimen who just ran for a $2,500 claiming tag at Beulah the other day. There's your 0-for-14 lifetime TC record.
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03-05-2010, 07:09 AM
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and what is the BC record why did you convinetly leave that out?
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03-05-2010, 09:05 AM
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03-05-2010, 09:35 AM
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i don't hate the guy at all , he is a very good rider , maybe the best in the game right now maybe close to the best depending on who you talk to but would you not agree with me that before it's over and we crown him he should win some of racing most important races - ie the TC races or BC races are those races not the most important races in the country every year? i can make an argument that todd pletcher is the best trainer in the country and all i hear on here is that he stinks because he is 0 for 30 in the derby , doesn't win eneough bc races - todd may train another 25 years or longer who knows, maybe before it's over he will win the derby many times and maybe ramon will ride some derby winners for him , but tell me why , if both of these guys have a long way to go in their career only 1 can be crucified on here for not getting it done at this point , that does not seem fair to me why is ok to bash pletcher for his failure to date in these races and ramon gets off scott free again am i to believe that without ramon on the "impossible" bluegrass cat , he would have finished up the track that day happy birthday
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03-05-2010, 09:53 AM
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I think since Dominguez can only ride one in each derby, and Pletcher can send out multiple horses in the race almost every year, Pletcher gets more criticism for his Derby record. For whatever reason, Ramon is not getting on the "big" horse in the TC and BC. Steve shows in Dominguez' BC runs, his horses outperform their odds. I just don't see how you can watch races and not see this guy's talent and appreciate how he goes about his business. Did you think John Elway sucked until he won a Super Bowl later in his career?
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03-05-2010, 10:03 AM
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do you really believe that todd wanted to run all of those horses in the derby? John Elway was a great player throughout his career, Dan Marino was better but he doesn't have 2 rings and that is a hole in his career resume A-Rod is a great baseball player (maybe the best in the game over the last 10 yrs) , now he has a ring to go with it - he was hammered by the fans rightfully so because he didn't do it on the big days in the fall with either seattle or the yankees , this year he did it Ramon is a very good rider , i keep saying that .....is todd not a very good trainer becuase he is 1 for 70 in the TC races , are all those training titles at the spa , belmont ,and elsewhere meaningless because he is 1 for 70 in TC races?
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03-05-2010, 09:28 AM
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Ramon A. Dominguez 24/1-4-4-2 ($4,389,350.00) Battle Won (S, 2005) 11th, 16-1 Better Talk Now (T, 2004) WON, 28-1 Better Talk Now (T, 2005) 7th, 8-1 Better Talk Now (T, 2006) 2nd, 18-1 Better Talk Now (T, 2007) 4th, 8-1 Better Talk Now (T, 2008) 8th, 36-1 Cannonball (TS, 2009) 3rd, 6-1 Cocoa Beach (CHI) (LC, 2008) 2nd, 8-1 Dance Away Capote (JF, 2004) 5th, 16-1 Dean's Kitten (JT, 2009) 6th, 55-1 Fabulous Strike (S, 2008) 5th, 7-1 Friendly Island (S, 2006) 2nd, 59-1 Gio Ponti (JT, 2007) 8th, 8-1 Gio Ponti (C, 2009) 2nd, 12-1 Miraculous Miss (FMS, 2008) 4th, 38-1 My Cousin Matt (S, 2004) 3rd, 61-1 Passage of Time (GB) (FMT, 2007) 3rd, 3-1* Remarkable News (VEN) (M, 2007) 7th, 16-1 Rob Roy (M, 2006) 5th, 23-1 Sky Diva (JF, 2008) 3rd, 4-1 Unbridled Belle (LC, 2007) 5th, 6-1 Wild Gams (FMS, 2007) 9th, 11-1 William's Kitten (J, 2009) 8th, 78-1 Xchanger (DM, 2007) 6th, 8-1
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03-05-2010, 09:48 AM
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steve if you don't like my opinion you are the boss here , you know what you can do he's a very good rider , he will be in the hall of fame - i am pointing out that to date he is 1 for 38 on racing's biggest days maybe the agent isn't getting him on the right horses , because he is obviously better than a 3% jockey , i know that , the whole world knows that todd is the best trainer in the game and he gets it on here for his failure in these big races , why am i not allowed to point out a fact that ramon has failed to menace on the big days
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03-05-2010, 09:57 AM
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03-05-2010, 09:58 AM
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Also, I forgot to add above that $2 ATB wagers on Dominguez' 24 Breeders' Cup mounts would cost $144.00 and return $236.60.
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03-05-2010, 10:06 AM
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todd will have have more chances of course , he had 5 in 1 year , ramon can only ride 1 do you think todd wanted to run every horse in the derby that he entered ?
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03-05-2010, 10:18 AM
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marty i like you but wtf   whats the argument.. and todd does not do well in the derby.he takes everyonesold derby horses and turns them into multiple stakes winners..
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03-05-2010, 10:03 AM
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03-05-2010, 07:16 AM
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