Stronach reneges on SA surface change.. - Page 6

freddymo · #**101** 03-03-2010, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav

There purse structure is poor based on what you are running against, but they still pay out decent money. Maidens are still 45k....

They just don't spread it out like Pa does, where maidens are running for 40k, and 5 claimers are running for 18k. Its the 10 claimers only running for 13k that is the issue, those horses run for 24k in Pa

So if the MDN SL which are not the issue are 40k and the 10k claimers are 14k what do you do with your 10k claimer. Mexican slaughter house? Ship it for 3k east? Or sell it for 4k and realize that unless you get dead lucky with a real horse you cant have a decent modest 3 to 7 horse stable because once you arent a MDN SPL or significant Allowance type you cant possibly survive the 30% vig for racing in Ca.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #**102** 03-03-2010, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

So if the MDN SL which are not the issue are 40k and the 10k claimers are 14k what do you do with your 10k claimer. Mexican slaughter house? Ship it for 3k east? Or sell it for 4k and realize that unless you get dead lucky with a real horse you cant have a decent modest 3 to 7 horse stable because once you arent a MDN SPL or significant Allowance type you cant possibly survive the 30% vig for racing in Ca.

send it to golden gate.or mike mitchell..it will run huge overnite 3 classes over its head

freddymo · #**103** 03-03-2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

send it to golden gate.or mike mitchell..it will run huge overnite 3 classes over its head

GG 8k claimer go for 10k.Alert the media you have no reason to gamble in racing when it costs 3k a month (min) and you need to win 5 races a year and place 5 times to lose money. Your horse ran ten times finished first or second in all and you might have won a few thousand dollars..

Scav · #**104** 03-03-2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

GG 8k claimer go for 10k.Alert the media you have no reason to gamble in racing when it costs 3k a month (min) and you need to win 5 races a year and place 5 times to lose money. Your horse ran ten times finished first or second in all and you might have won a few thousand dollars..

It is like there everywhere though Freddy. Newsflash, this isn't an easy game to make money, hell, if you can run at a 20% loss you are feeling really good about things.

Here is another thing to think about, and it will help make your point, but I don't think people realize that before you even see that win purse, you are hit for 10% for the jock and you owe your trainer 10-12%. So when you win that maiden claimer at Philly for 20k, you really only see 9600, or 48% of the purse.

freddymo · #**105** 03-03-2010, 10:04 AM

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It is like there everywhere though Freddy. Newsflash, this isn't an easy game to make money, hell, if you can run at a 20% loss you are feeling really good about things.

Here is another thing to think about, and it will help make your point, but I don't think people realize that before you even see that win purse, you are hit for 10% for the jock and you owe your trainer 10-12%. So when you win that maiden claimer at Philly for 20k, you really only see 9600, or 48% of the purse.

The point is not how tough it is the point is the premium to race in Ca. The vig (30%) makes the equation unbearble for development of ownership

asudevil · #**106** 03-03-2010, 10:37 AM

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I just don't see it being any more expensive then having a horse in NY, or Kentucky.

It isn't like the normal dayrate out there is 120$. Dayrate ends up being about 66%-70% of your monthly expense anyways

125/day with top echelon trainers.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #**107** 03-03-2010, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

GG 8k claimer go for 10k.Alert the media you have no reason to gamble in racing when it costs 3k a month (min) and you need to win 5 races a year and place 5 times to lose money. Your horse ran ten times finished first or second in all and you might have won a few thousand dollars..

ok bulldoze the whole place..

freddymo · #**108** 03-03-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

ok bulldoze the whole place..

AGREED

richard · #**109** 03-03-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

GG 8k claimer go for 10k.Alert the media you have no reason to gamble in racing when it costs 3k a month (min) and you need to win 5 races a year and place 5 times to lose money. Your horse ran ten times finished first or second in all and you might have won a few thousand dollars..

I agree that lower level purse money should be increased a lot. The BC I watch on tv so I have no preference .

Cannon Shell · #**110** 03-03-2010, 05:10 PM

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I have a problem with #12. No one can replace Vic.

Vic is a dual qualifier

Cannon Shell · #**111** 03-03-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

There purse structure is poor based on what you are running against, but they still pay out decent money. Maidens are still 45k....

They just don't spread it out like Pa does, where maidens are running for 40k, and 5 claimers are running for 18k. Its the 10 claimers only running for 13k that is the issue, those horses run for 24k in Pa

It is more expensive to run a business in CA than just about anywhere. The labor laws force you to carry more employees, the insurance, cost of living, etc drives the prices of everything up.

2Hot4TV · #**112** 03-03-2010, 08:21 PM

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You actually think Stronach needs the potential revenue from the sale of Santa Anita to 'retire'?

Doesnt really matter what I think, but maybe.

Kasept · #**113** 03-04-2010, 08:18 AM

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Doesnt really matter what I think, but maybe.

Frank Stronach's rather enormous personal fortune is unencumbered by the MEC situation.

Kasept · #**114** 03-04-2010, 08:21 AM

Horsemen dismayed by Stronach's stance
By Steve Andersen

http://www.drf.com/news/article/111176.html

ARCADIA, Calif. - Comments by Santa Anita chairman Frank Stronach that he intends to retain the track's troubled synthetic surface were met with disappointment Wednesday by some horsemen who would like the track to return to a dirt surface.

Darrell Vienna, the Southern California vice president of the California Thoroughbred Trainers, said his organization wants the existing Pro-Ride surface replaced in the near future. "The CTT has taken an official position for a return to dirt and anti-synthetic in general," Vienna said Wednesday. "What we all want is the safest surface we can get, whether it's synthetic or dirt. At this point, our members want a new natural dirt surface. The synthetic track has failed us in too many regards." Vienna said the CTT wants to "uncouple" Stronach's wish for deregulation in racing with the issue of racing surfaces, adding, "I don't want to minimize his concern for deregulation."

"The whole thing with the track surface was a surprise," said owner Arnold Zetcher, a member of the Thoroughbred Owners of California's board of directors. Zetcher said he is most concerned with safety, regardless of the type of surface used at Santa Anita. "After the Breeders' Cup, the sentiment was to stay" with synthetics, Zetcher said. "Then, the sentiment went to dirt. It shouldn't be about sentiments, it should be what's best for horses."

freddymo · #**115** 03-04-2010, 09:04 AM

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Frank Stronach's rather enormous personal fortune is unencumbered by the MEC situation.

You figure he is still super sizing the value

joeydb · #**116** 03-04-2010, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

ok bulldoze the whole place..

If by "the whole place" you mean "California", you may find a lot of people who agree with you.

Kasept · #**117** 03-04-2010, 09:28 AM

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You figure he is still super sizing the value

Did you hear Jerry Jamgotchian's take on Stronach's possible gambit in regards to the deregulation? Was very interesting. He called in response to Davidowitz' suggestion that Stronach is a serial failure running racetracks and should sell out. Jamgotchian, who has been three steps ahead predicting every misstep by California racing, thinks Stronach is shrewdly planning to expand Santa Anita's race date domain.

Scav · #**118** 03-04-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Did you hear Jerry Jamgotchian's take on Stronach's possible gambit in regards to the deregulation? Was very interesting. He called in response to Davidowitz' suggestion that Stronach is a serial failure running racetracks and should sell out. Jamgotchian, who has been three steps ahead predicting every misstep by California racing, thinks Stronach is shrewdly planning to expand Santa Anita's race date domain.

Isn't this exactly what happened down in Florida(deregulation) after he purchased Gulfstream?

Kasept · #**119** 03-04-2010, 10:01 AM

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Isn't this exactly what happened down in Florida(deregulation) after he purchased Gulfstream?

Deregulation happened 10 years before Stronach bought Gulfstream (1999). The war between Brunetti and Gulfstream had been well underway.

randallscott35 · #**120** 03-04-2010, 10:05 AM

Gulfstream blows. Bring back Hialeah full time.