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[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it wouldn't shut anyone up who still wastes a breath on this in february 2010. if you're still talking about obama's birth certificate now, you'll just move on to "it's a forgery and that's why they wouldn't release if for so long" should you ever get the long form.

i'll say it again. no evidence will ever convince a birther. none.

in the meantime, i'm sure the white house finds it useful to have seriously deluded people on the outskirts of tea party events. nothing beats a picture of the guy in a tin foil hat throwing his arms around your opponent.

I think that's pretty silly to say that nothing will convince any of the "birthers". I agree with you that are a few die-hard birthers that will never be convinced. But I think the majority of birthers only became birthers because Obama has gone to such great lengths to make sure his certificate is not released.

I'm not a big conspiracy guy but the whole thing has even made me suspicious. When this whole story first started, I figured Obama would release the certificate and prove that the allegations of him being born in Kenya were nonsense. But even after people started suing, he still refused to release it. That would even make a rational person a little suspicious.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think that's pretty silly to say that nothing will convince any of the "birthers". I agree with you that are a few die-hard birthers that will never be convinced. But I think the majority of birthers only became birthers because Obama has gone to such great lengths to make sure his certificate is not released.

I'm not a big conspiracy guy but the whole thing has even made me suspicious. When this whole story first started, I figured Obama would release the certificate and prove that the allegations of him being born in Kenya were nonsense. But even after people started suing, he still refused to release it. That would even make a rational person a little suspicious.

why would obama want the issue to go away? there is zero downside to any play this still gets in the media. it's all positive from the white house point of view.

the problem is that birthers can't step outside themselves to see how they look to the rest of the world. you're like the black knight in monty python's holy grail. no arms. no legs. but still trying to put up a fight.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

why would obama want the issue to go away? there is zero downside to any play this still gets in the media. it's all positive from the white house point of view.

the problem is that birthers can't step outside themselves to see how they look to the rest of the world. you're like the black knight in monty python's holy grail. no arms. no legs. but still trying to put up a fight.

So you think that when Lou Dobbs was on CNN saying that he thinks Obama was born in Kenya, that it was actually good publicity for Obama? Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion if you honestly believe that. I don't think there could possibly be worse publicity for Obama.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

So you think that when Lou Dobbs was on CNN saying that he thinks Obama was born in Kenya, that it was actually good publicity for Obama? Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion if you honestly believe that. I don't think there could possibly be worse publicity for Obama.

that's because you live inside the birther bubble where such a suggestion is taken as a real possibility. outside, where most of us live, it's laughed off.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

that's because you live inside the birther bubble where such a suggestion is taken as a real possibility. outside, where most of us live, it's laughed off.

You actually have it totally backwards. The liberals live inside their own bubble and are totally out of touch with the mainstream. Many of the liberals I know tend to only talk politics with like-minded people. Most of them don't believe any type of negative story about one of their own. Any time there is some type of negative story, they think it's some sort of right-wing conspiracy.

The truth of the matter is that negative stories are never good because a high percentage of the population believe that when there's smoke, there's fire. Let's take George W. Bush, for example. There were accusations out there that he used to do coke when he was young. If he did in fact do coke, you would think that the people making the accusations would have had some evidence such as a witness who do it with him or someone who saw him do it. There were no such witnesses and there was no evidence.

Even though there was no evidence that he did coke, a high percentage of people think that it is true simple because of the belief that when there's smoke, there's fire. The funny thing is that in this case, there wasn't even any real smoke. There was zero evidence. Yet people still thought it was true because people were spreading rumors about it. Did Bush do coke? I have no idea. He may have. It wouldn't shock me if he did. But the truth of the matter is there is no evidence that he did. Evidence or not, if you did a poll I'll bet that a ton of people would say that they think he did coke simply because of the rumors about it.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

So you think that when Lou Dobbs was on CNN saying that he thinks Obama was born in Kenya, that it was actually good publicity for Obama? Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion if you honestly believe that. I don't think there could possibly be worse publicity for Obama.

The same reason Republicans pump millions into the whacko left wing people, the more the Birthers chirp, the better it is for Obama. That is why I'll contribute money to the Tea Bag nuttos...more power to them. And I'm serious...every Liberal should send them money.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GBBob

The same reason Republicans pump millions into the whacko left wing people, the more the Birthers chirp, the better it is for Obama. That is why I'll contribute money to the Tea Bag nuttos...more power to them. And I'm serious...every Liberal should send them money.

I have never heard of a Republican giving money to whacko left wing groups. I could see them supporting a whacko left-winger in a primary if they thought the left-winger would have no chance in the general election. But other than that, I think this type of thing is rare.

If you think the tea-baggers are helping Obama, you are crazy. The Obama bashing, whether fair or not, is taking its toll on him. His poll numbers are way down and much of it has to do with the negative attacks, whether fair or not.

By the way, I personally like Obama better than some of the nutty, potential Republican candidates out there. I would vote for Obama over a nut like Ron Paul. I would vote for Obama over Sarah Palin.

[hi_im_god]

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it's currently the wild west when it comes to content and labeling on nutritional supplements.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I would vote for Obama over a nut like Ron Paul. I would vote for Obama over Sarah Palin.

But will you vote for Obama over Mitt Romney?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

But will you vote for Obama over Mitt Romney?

Mitt Romney for sure.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

But will you vote for Obama over Mitt Romney?

I would vote for Romney.