5 GOP break with party on jobs bill, vote w/Dems

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, if so, we would have had health care last August

why should we have had healthcare last August, when Obama only published his half-assed "plan" yesterday? It doesn't even contain enough specifics for the CBO to score.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

why should we have had healthcare last August, when Obama only published his half-assed "plan" yesterday? It doesn't even contain enough specifics for the CBO to score.

I guess you haven't been following what's happened, and what has been trying to work through the House and Senate, and public polling from early last summer, since this President was elected.

[Riot]

Let's try copying this image, and see if it works:

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's try copying this image, and see if it works:

all this graph demonstrates is that Dems, even if they are the majority, can't get it together!

[Danzig]

more in total for all three categories. you might want to figure percentages, which tells the tale better than overall numbers. for instance, in the 97th congress, when republicans took over-look at motions, look at votes on cloture-virtually even. about 40 of each, compared to now with over 100 more motions than then, but about 80 more votes on cloture. number wise, both are higher-but percentage of cloture to motions isn't the same.
look at when republicans again took control, motions are similar to the last democrat controlled, 95-96. motions similar to 94, but look at the grey and yellow bars. especially for 2000-'02.

not a very good graph tho, it doesn't say which side filed the motions.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

more in total for all three categories. you might want to figure percentages, which tells the tale better than overall numbers. for instance, in the 97th congress, when republicans took over-look at motions, look at votes on cloture-virtually even. about 40 of each, compared to now with over 100 more motions than then, but about 80 more votes on cloture. number wise, both are higher-but percentage of cloture to motions isn't the same.
look at when republicans again took control, motions are similar to the last democrat controlled, 95-96. motions similar to 94, but look at the grey and yellow bars. especially for 2000-'02.

not a very good graph tho, it doesn't say which side filed the motions.

'Zig, I love ya, but the party in control doesn't fillibuster itself <g>

You make a nice attempt at spin, above, with the "percentages" thing, but that doesn't stand.

It's crystal clear who are filing the fillibuster motions that block everything and grind everything to a complete halt (dark gold line) - it's higher than it's ever been right now, and it's the GOP.

The actual votes the GOP has made this past year (No versus Yes votes), and the number of bills approved by the House but languishing unvoted upon due to Republican blockage not allowing those bills to even come for a vote in the Senate, is on the .gov website. *** and I just found that number, it's 290. 290 bills sent from the House to the Senate for action, and nothing. has. been. done. because the GOP votes to fillibuster and refuse to act upon virtually every damn thing.

Note:
The gold line indicates fillibusters by the opposition party. You don't have to stand on the floor and physically fillibuster now, you just have to "file the motion" with intent. That essentially starts a fillibuster for all intents and purposes. That means everything grinds to a halt, as if some Senator was standing on the floor reading the telephone book.

The "cloture vote" is someone calling for a vote to vote upon closure of the fillibuster, and a vote is taken to close the fillibuster or not. And "cloture invoked" means that the votes were enough in favor to stop the fillibuster. At this point, the Senate continues on with business.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

'Zig, I love ya, but the party in control doesn't fillibuster itself <g>

You make a nice attempt at spin, above, with the "percentages" thing, but that doesn't stand.

It's crystal clear who are filing the fillibuster motions that block everything and grind everything to a complete halt (dark gold line) - it's higher than it's ever been right now, and it's the GOP.

The actual votes the GOP has made this past year (No versus Yes votes), and the number of bills approved by the House but languishing unvoted upon due to Republican blockage not allowing those bills to even come for a vote in the Senate, is on the .gov website. *** and I just found that number, it's 290. 290 bills sent from the House to the Senate for action, and nothing. has. been. done. because the GOP votes to fillibuster and refuse to act upon virtually every damn thing.

Note:
The gold line indicates fillibusters by the opposition party. You don't have to stand on the floor and physically fillibuster now, you just have to "file the motion" with intent. That essentially starts a fillibuster for all intents and purposes. That means everything grinds to a halt, as if some Senator was standing on the floor reading the telephone book.

The "cloture vote" is someone calling for a vote to vote upon closure of the fillibuster, and a vote is taken to close the fillibuster or not. And "cloture invoked" means that the votes were enough in favor to stop the fillibuster. At this point, the Senate continues on with business.

first of all, i brought up that it would be good to know who put up what motions because you'd get a better idea of how many party motions were filibustered by the other party-right? for instance, if there were 100 motions, with 30 filibusters, but 50 of the motions were by the other party, than they filibustered 50 motions, not 100.

as for the percentages being spin, that's incorrect. in total numbers, there are both more motions and more filibusters in the last graph-that's indisputable. however, the last lines show 140 motions, with 60 filibusters. that means less than 50% of all motions were filibustered by the reps. however, the last previous line, when republicans were in control, shows about 68 motions, with about 35 filibusters. that's MORE than half of all motions. so, not only am i correct in saying that filibustering is not in use more now than before, but i'm also correct in saying this is an ongoing issue by both sides, at least since 1998 when the amount of filibusters increased.
thanks for posting that, it was helpful.

[Riot]

first of all, i brought up that it would be good to know who put up what motions because you'd get a better idea of how many party motions were filibustered by the other party-right? for instance, if there were 100 motions, with 30 filibusters, but 50 of the motions were by the other party, than they filibustered 50 motions, not 100.

The fillibusters are by the minority party. There is no need for the majority party to fillibuster itself, or fillibuster a minority proposal (they just vote it down).

"Who put up the motions" are on .gov, in the congressional and senate records.

Again, it clearly shows that the GOP is the party of "NO" this session, with historic interference, never worse, in allowing things to not come to a vote.