Public Option

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

This might be your tops. Everyone knows if you get educated and find a good job the perc of that is getting insurance. That is how this country works & that is why its important to get an education and find a good job.

What about all the stay at home mothers? What if she did a dead-end job to help hubby get through school ( and get a great future for the family,) and then he gets a brain tumor. She's gunna have to go back to work at a "not so great job." How does she get reasonably priced health care for that family? It's irresponsible to treat this like a luxury item. It's a necessity. Your personality has a sadistic aspect.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What about all the stay at home mothers? What if she did a dead-end job to help hubby get through school ( and get a great future for the family,) and then he gets a brain tumor. She's gunna have to go back to work at a "not so great job." How does she get reasonably priced health care for that family? It's irresponsible to treat this like a luxury item. It's a necessity. Your personality has a sadistic aspect.

then she should have bought health insurance. You dont HAVE to have a job to have insurance.. you can buy plans on your own.

And its not like I dont think health care should be reformed... it needs to be reformed in some areas. Tort reform alone would make prices a ton more affordable to this stay at home mother. There needs to be over state line competition. pre-exsisting conditions need to be eliminated. You shouldnt be able to drop someone because they got sick... right there is great reform that would dramatically help health care.

Obama and the dems' plan is a piece of shi't. 1 trillion dollars? you do know how much that is? I really think the dems plan in general is just to bankrupt the country. they follow the Bush example to the absolute extreme.

Tell me SCUDS, what has the government EVER done right? and while the hell should any one want our goverment in charge of health care? It will be a disaster, mark my words. They cant to jack shi't right.. and that is including the republicans.

And yes, I am completely against a single payer "socialized" healthcare in this country. Unless of course we all want the quality of care to be flushed right down the shitter, and middle class citizens paying 40% federal taxes cause that is what would happen. Just trust me on that!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

then she should have bought health insurance. You dont HAVE to have a job to have insurance.. you can buy plans on your own.

And its not like I dont think health care should be reformed... it needs to be reformed in some areas. Tort reform alone would make prices a ton more affordable to this stay at home mother. There needs to be over state line competition. pre-exsisting conditions need to be eliminated. You shouldnt be able to drop someone because they got sick... right there is great reform that would dramatically help health care.

Obama and the dems' plan is a piece of shi't. 1 trillion dollars? you do know how much that is? I really think the dems plan in general is just to bankrupt the country. they follow the Bush example to the absolute extreme.

Tell me SCUDS, what has the government EVER done right? and while the hell should any one want our goverment in charge of health care? It will be a disaster, mark my words. They cant to jack shi't right.. and that is including the republicans.

And yes, I am completely against a single payer "socialized" healthcare in this country. Unless of course we all want the quality of care to be flushed right down the shitter, and middle class citizens paying 40% federal taxes cause that is what would happen. Just trust me on that!

[Riot]

then she should have bought health insurance. You dont HAVE to have a job to have insurance.. you can buy plans on your own.

But the problem is, those plans for individuals are more expensive than any other plan, and often are not affordable.

People are shocked when they leave a job, and COBRA allows them to continue to carry their insurance for a designated time and pay for it themselves - few realize how expensive it is.

I challenge you to do something. You're "young and healthy" pretty much, right? (may have a thing or two, or not ... ) This next week, call the three insurance companies here in KY, and get rate quotes for decent individual health insurance for yourself. Post the rate quotes to this list. Just go price it out, and honestly let us know if you could afford to pay it, or not.

[Antitrust32]

you're out of your freaking mind. 76% of dems 60% if independance and less than 50% of republicans (more like maybe 30% of republicans IF THAT) equals "almost" 80%

maybe "almost" 50%. and even that I disagree with.

I dont want to debate health care with you miss "your mind is 80% gone"

[Riot]

you're out of your freaking mind.

You don't know how to use the interwebs and google "public option poll" ??

I dont want to debate health care with you miss "your mind is 80% gone"

I don't want to debate health care with someone too lazy to look up some poll numbers, and whose intellectual ontributions seems to center on calling other people names and being rude.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

But the problem is, those plans for individuals are more expensive than any other plan, and often are not affordable.

People are shocked when they leave a job, and COBRA allows them to continue to carry their insurance for a designated time and pay for it themselves - few realize how expensive it is.

I challenge you to do something. You're "young and healthy" pretty much, right? (may have a thing or two, or not ... ) This next week, call the three insurance companies here in KY, and get rate quotes for decent individual health insurance for yourself. Post the rate quotes to this list. Just go price it out, and honestly let us know if you could afford to pay it, or not.

Quotes based on 46yr old male non-smoker. PPO $63 a month and up (Lexington KY area) NEXT!!!

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi...1A47E6.prfo13b

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Quotes based on 46yr old male non-smoker. PPO $63 a month and up (Lexington KY area) NEXT!!!

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi...1A47E6.prfo13b

I know right.. If you want a "cadallac" plan of course its going to be outrageous. I get faxes all the time for a decent health care plan for like 70 bucks a month that includes scrips.

And I'm not a healthy young person either. I probably have more issues than most of you old people!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know right.. If you want a "cadallac" plan of course its going to be outrageous. I get faxes all the time for a decent health care plan for like 70 bucks a month that includes scrips.

And I'm not a healthy young person either. I probably have more issues than most of you old people!

Issues or health problems?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Issues or health problems?

everyone has issues (maybe I have more than the norm ).. I have more health problems than most people in this country at any age. Should have been dead 5 times already. Thank god for modern medicine and the best doctors in the world (all here in the USA!)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know right.. If you want a "cadallac" plan of course its going to be outrageous. I get faxes all the time for a decent health care plan for like 70 bucks a month that includes scrips.

And I'm not a healthy young person either. I probably have more issues than most of you old people!

So you refuse the challenge of getting healthcare quotes for yourself? Faxed ads are proof of nothing.

Do you have health insurance through work? If so, call that provider, and see how much it would cost you to continue that plan on your own if you quit work - and not under Cobra, but as an individual.

And if you don't have a plan through work, I challenge you to call Humana and Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield (what we have in KY) and get quotes for yourself, as an individual being insured (no group), with a $2000/year deductable. Get back to us on the costs.

Same goes for you, Dell - if you have insurance at work, call your provider and ask how much the exact same plan will cost you a year as an individual, not under COBRA.

[Riot]

Research 2000 Poll info published today, comparing preference for Senate Plan vs Public Option:

* In Nevada, only 34% support the Senate bill, while 56% support the public option.

* In Illinois, only 37% support the Senate bill, while 68% support the public option.

* In Washington State, only 38% support the Senate bill, while 65% support the public option.

* In Missouri, only 33% support the Senate bill, while 57% support the public option.

* In Virginia, only 36% support the Senate bill, while 61% support the public option.

* In Iowa, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

*In Minnesota, only 35% support the Senate bill, while 62% support the public option.

* In Colorado, only 32% support the Senate bill, while 58% support the public option.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I get faxes all the time for a decent health care plan for like 70 bucks a month that includes scrips.

Hmmmm....can you send some of those my way, please?

Since I'm paying more than twice that for a plan that covers somewhere between zero and nothing unless I get catastrophically injured, basically.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Hmmmm....can you send some of those my way, please?

Since I'm paying more than twice that for a plan that covers somewhere between zero and nothing unless I get catastrophically injured, basically.

who knows it could be bullshit insurance with a fraud company.. but they make the plan sound decent in the fax! says covers catasrtophic, doc visits, scripts.. its probably bull.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Quotes based on 46yr old male non-smoker. PPO $63 a month and up (Lexington KY area) NEXT!!!

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi...1A47E6.prfo13b

Nonsense. No, Dell, a real quote, for a real person. Quoting an ad doesn't count.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What about all the stay at home mothers? What if she did a dead-end job to help hubby get through school ( and get a great future for the family,) and then he gets a brain tumor. She's gunna have to go back to work at a "not so great job." How does she get reasonably priced health care for that family? It's irresponsible to treat this like a luxury item. It's a necessity. Your personality has a sadistic aspect.

wouldn't medicaid/medicare and ssi be a part of this scenario? i agree, it is a necessity to have coverage.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wouldn't medicaid/medicare and ssi be a part of this scenario? i agree, it is a necessity to have coverage.

No, it would cover him if his Cobra ran out. Once he's dead from the brain cancer, then she'd have go back to work. Just saying that if people want this to be treated like a luxury item, then they'd better protect a stay at home wife with some damn good life insurance on the breadwinner.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, it would cover him if his Cobra ran out. Once he's dead from the brain cancer, then she'd have go back to work. Just saying that if people want this to be treated like a luxury item, then they'd better protect a stay at home wife with some damn good life insurance on the breadwinner.

i recommend to everyone they buy life insurance, as well as short term disability. it's dirt cheap here. but do they listen? some do, some don't. i have a guy here who's the only one working, makes good money. did he take the health insurance out that we offer? he'd pay $10 a week. no, he did not. but when he doesn't feel well, i have to hear how he won't go to the doctor because he hasn't got insurance.
i understand there are people out there who want it, but it isn't offered. what i fail to understand is folks like this guy, who doesn't bother to get it. insanity.
men who marry and are the sole, or primary earner, are irresponsible if they don't take out life insurance. especially if they also start having children. it's not cheap to bury someone anymore, why saddle your widow with that debt, along with all that goes with it?