Public Option

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's baaaack .....




One of my employees hurt her knee the other day. She and her husband could afford and would gladly pay a couple hundred a month for health insurance. Unfortunately, they can't get any for that amount in this state. She needs an ortho consult. She won't get one. Can't really afford the $60-$100 for the exam, and the $250 for rads right now (yes, we called around). I told her to e-mail Mitch McConnell and ask him what to do.

So you want us to pay?

Look if she can only afford a couple a hundo a month she can't afford premium health insurance. She can still afford catastrophic insurance so go with that and a ace bandage. I want a Bugati but can only afford a Kia so I drive a Kia. Personally I'm shocked YOU as her employer don't provde her insurance. LMAO And don't bother McConnell just call Auntie Obama and see how she is getting care.

PS Obama is really starting to 'listen' to the people and sticking to his guns forcing this through. Well listening to 30 some percent of the people. Just hope the 60 plus percent who don't want this passed remember that come election time. We'll see how that works out. Stop the begging already.

[SOREHOOF]

Obamacare would tell her to get an Ace bandage after she waited weeks to see a Dr.

[SOREHOOF]

If she hurt her knee at work maybe a Comp. case and a lawsuit would be her best bet.

[Riot]

So you want us to pay?

No, dear. She wants to pay. All by herself.

Look if she can only afford a couple a hundo a month she can't afford premium health insurance.

And you don't see that as a problem in the United States? (for a basic plan - nobody is talking "premium")

Personally I'm shocked YOU as her employer don't provde her insurance.

That's at odds with your first sentence. You believe, then, in taking from those that have, and making them provide for others? Rather than people being independent and being able to support themselves?

PS Obama is really starting to 'listen' to the people and sticking to his guns forcing this through. Well listening to 30 some percent of the people. Just hope the 60 plus percent who don't want this passed remember that come election time. We'll see how that works out. Stop the begging already.

I think it will work out wonderfully. Nearly 80% of the public supports the public option. The Dems will - hopefully - give it to them.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, dear. She wants to pay. All by herself.



And you don't see that as a problem in the United States? (for a basic plan - nobody is talking "premium")



That's at odds with your first sentence. You believe, then, in taking from those that have, and making them provide for others? Rather than people being independent and being able to support themselves?



I think it will work out wonderfully. Nearly 80% of the public supports the public option. The Dems will - hopefully - give it to them.

Confucious say "She who parses sentences misses whole point"

80%? How about a link?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Confucious say "She who parses sentences misses whole point"

80%? How about a link?

The only whole point is my buddy Dell doesn't care for anything Obama does

There's parsing, and then there's pointing out the reality. We are currently paying for the uninsured. I don't like paying for other people now. It makes my health care more expensive.

We won't be continuing to pay for them, if they can buy their own basic plans, if they are not dropped by their insurance company for reaching dollar limits, if the insurance companies (see what just happened in California) can't just get rid of alot of their more expensive insured on a whim to make more profit.

Nearly 80%? Geesh, just do a search on "public option poll" - you'll get tons of hits and articles. It's specifically "do you want a public option", however, note that (different than the numbers Dell posted, which are accurate for "health reform")

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The only whole point is my buddy Dell doesn't care for anything Obama does

There's parsing, and then there's pointing out the reality. We are currently paying for the uninsured. I don't like paying for other people now. It makes my health care more expensive.

We won't be continuing to pay for them, if they can buy their own basic plans, if they are not dropped by their insurance company for reaching dollar limits, if the insurance companies (see what just happened in California) can't just get rid of alot of their more expensive insured on a whim to make more profit.

Nearly 80%? Geesh, just do a search on "public option poll" - you'll get tons of hits and articles. It's specifically "do you want a public option", however, note that (different than the numbers Dell posted, which are accurate for "health reform")

Well, I know in California, and probably other states, hospitals go belly up or stop trauma care totally because the state won't pay for it. Is the state to blame because it wouldn't cover expenses either way for trauma wards?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Well, I know in California, and probably other states, hospitals go belly up or stop trauma care totally because the state won't pay for it. Is the state to blame because it wouldn't cover expenses either way for trauma wards?

Those are nearly all uninsured people. So much better if they had some basic insurance to take up part of the cost we are paying now ("the state"), no?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's at odds with your first sentence. You believe, then, in taking from those that have, and making them provide for others? Rather than people being independent and being able to support themselves?


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This might be your tops. Everyone knows if you get educated and find a good job the perc of that is getting insurance. That is how this country works & that is why its important to get an education and find a good job.

There is NO "taking from those who have and makeing them provide to others" in that. He/She works hard to get that employer "what they have". and for that they deserve insurance from the employer.

& that 80% support a public option is a crock of **** riot and you know it. Unless you meant 80% do not support it then maybe you are a little bit closer to reality.

[johnny pinwheel]

unfortunatly, the best thing that happened to me when i got sick was medicare. i could not work , lost coverage and almost lost everything. i sold my house right before the melt down, but that does not matter up here, houses are always hot. the medical bills piled up until i won disability and medicare, it costs like 96 bucks a month and for another 16 i get cdphp supplemental. try getting that out there!!!.....when i was working i was paying to have coverage by the hour! i was in a union with that cadillac coverage and it cost a bundle, plus after i could not work for a year it was shut down. a cat scan and an MRI on my head cost as much as a new car and i was not working or insured......yeah, we are the best, thats the line i've been hearing for about 40 years as the country decends down the toilet.....what company would make a new job here when they have to help supply healthcare? its the dumbest system yet and about 20 years behind..wait until suckers are paying 15 or 16 hundred a month for crappy insurance that does not work

This is going to be one expensive bowel movement.

The pharmaceutical lobby runs things.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

This might be your tops. Everyone knows if you get educated and find a good job the perc of that is getting insurance. That is how this country works & that is why its important to get an education and find a good job.

What about all the stay at home mothers? What if she did a dead-end job to help hubby get through school ( and get a great future for the family,) and then he gets a brain tumor. She's gunna have to go back to work at a "not so great job." How does she get reasonably priced health care for that family? It's irresponsible to treat this like a luxury item. It's a necessity. Your personality has a sadistic aspect.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What about all the stay at home mothers? What if she did a dead-end job to help hubby get through school ( and get a great future for the family,) and then he gets a brain tumor. She's gunna have to go back to work at a "not so great job." How does she get reasonably priced health care for that family? It's irresponsible to treat this like a luxury item. It's a necessity. Your personality has a sadistic aspect.

then she should have bought health insurance. You dont HAVE to have a job to have insurance.. you can buy plans on your own.

And its not like I dont think health care should be reformed... it needs to be reformed in some areas. Tort reform alone would make prices a ton more affordable to this stay at home mother. There needs to be over state line competition. pre-exsisting conditions need to be eliminated. You shouldnt be able to drop someone because they got sick... right there is great reform that would dramatically help health care.

Obama and the dems' plan is a piece of shi't. 1 trillion dollars? you do know how much that is? I really think the dems plan in general is just to bankrupt the country. they follow the Bush example to the absolute extreme.

Tell me SCUDS, what has the government EVER done right? and while the hell should any one want our goverment in charge of health care? It will be a disaster, mark my words. They cant to jack shi't right.. and that is including the republicans.

And yes, I am completely against a single payer "socialized" healthcare in this country. Unless of course we all want the quality of care to be flushed right down the shitter, and middle class citizens paying 40% federal taxes cause that is what would happen. Just trust me on that!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

then she should have bought health insurance. You dont HAVE to have a job to have insurance.. you can buy plans on your own.

And its not like I dont think health care should be reformed... it needs to be reformed in some areas. Tort reform alone would make prices a ton more affordable to this stay at home mother. There needs to be over state line competition. pre-exsisting conditions need to be eliminated. You shouldnt be able to drop someone because they got sick... right there is great reform that would dramatically help health care.

Obama and the dems' plan is a piece of shi't. 1 trillion dollars? you do know how much that is? I really think the dems plan in general is just to bankrupt the country. they follow the Bush example to the absolute extreme.

Tell me SCUDS, what has the government EVER done right? and while the hell should any one want our goverment in charge of health care? It will be a disaster, mark my words. They cant to jack shi't right.. and that is including the republicans.

And yes, I am completely against a single payer "socialized" healthcare in this country. Unless of course we all want the quality of care to be flushed right down the shitter, and middle class citizens paying 40% federal taxes cause that is what would happen. Just trust me on that!

[Riot]

then she should have bought health insurance. You dont HAVE to have a job to have insurance.. you can buy plans on your own.

But the problem is, those plans for individuals are more expensive than any other plan, and often are not affordable.

People are shocked when they leave a job, and COBRA allows them to continue to carry their insurance for a designated time and pay for it themselves - few realize how expensive it is.

I challenge you to do something. You're "young and healthy" pretty much, right? (may have a thing or two, or not ... ) This next week, call the three insurance companies here in KY, and get rate quotes for decent individual health insurance for yourself. Post the rate quotes to this list. Just go price it out, and honestly let us know if you could afford to pay it, or not.

[Antitrust32]

you're out of your freaking mind. 76% of dems 60% if independance and less than 50% of republicans (more like maybe 30% of republicans IF THAT) equals "almost" 80%

maybe "almost" 50%. and even that I disagree with.

I dont want to debate health care with you miss "your mind is 80% gone"

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

But the problem is, those plans for individuals are more expensive than any other plan, and often are not affordable.

People are shocked when they leave a job, and COBRA allows them to continue to carry their insurance for a designated time and pay for it themselves - few realize how expensive it is.

I challenge you to do something. You're "young and healthy" pretty much, right? (may have a thing or two, or not ... ) This next week, call the three insurance companies here in KY, and get rate quotes for decent individual health insurance for yourself. Post the rate quotes to this list. Just go price it out, and honestly let us know if you could afford to pay it, or not.

Quotes based on 46yr old male non-smoker. PPO $63 a month and up (Lexington KY area) NEXT!!!

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi...1A47E6.prfo13b

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What about all the stay at home mothers? What if she did a dead-end job to help hubby get through school ( and get a great future for the family,) and then he gets a brain tumor. She's gunna have to go back to work at a "not so great job." How does she get reasonably priced health care for that family? It's irresponsible to treat this like a luxury item. It's a necessity. Your personality has a sadistic aspect.

wouldn't medicaid/medicare and ssi be a part of this scenario? i agree, it is a necessity to have coverage.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

wouldn't medicaid/medicare and ssi be a part of this scenario? i agree, it is a necessity to have coverage.

No, it would cover him if his Cobra ran out. Once he's dead from the brain cancer, then she'd have go back to work. Just saying that if people want this to be treated like a luxury item, then they'd better protect a stay at home wife with some damn good life insurance on the breadwinner.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, it would cover him if his Cobra ran out. Once he's dead from the brain cancer, then she'd have go back to work. Just saying that if people want this to be treated like a luxury item, then they'd better protect a stay at home wife with some damn good life insurance on the breadwinner.

i recommend to everyone they buy life insurance, as well as short term disability. it's dirt cheap here. but do they listen? some do, some don't. i have a guy here who's the only one working, makes good money. did he take the health insurance out that we offer? he'd pay $10 a week. no, he did not. but when he doesn't feel well, i have to hear how he won't go to the doctor because he hasn't got insurance.
i understand there are people out there who want it, but it isn't offered. what i fail to understand is folks like this guy, who doesn't bother to get it. insanity.
men who marry and are the sole, or primary earner, are irresponsible if they don't take out life insurance. especially if they also start having children. it's not cheap to bury someone anymore, why saddle your widow with that debt, along with all that goes with it?