would quality road have beat zen in the b.c.

brianwspencer · #1 02-16-2010, 02:54 PM

No. Not a chance on a track that regularly eats runners with his style for lunch....whether they're exceptional or not.

alysheba4 · #2 02-16-2010, 03:05 PM

true, speed going 2 turns is toast.....i just hope both get to churchill in fine order and we can see what happens.

SCUDSBROTHER · #3 02-16-2010, 03:16 PM

On any real sort of track, he's a bit 10f-limited. She is a 10f horse.

Indian Charlie · #4 02-16-2010, 03:37 PM

I think they would have dead heated.

Icon Project would have run third.

ArlJim78 · #5 02-16-2010, 05:07 PM

No way does Quality Road win that race imo.

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 02-16-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

On any real sort of track, he's a bit 10f-limited. She is a 10f horse.

How is he 10f limited?

because of how he ran in the Travers after being illogically rushed into making the race off of feet trouble and with only a single 6.5f prep a few weeks earlier. Breaking poorly at the start costing himself position hurt his chances as well and made the likelyhood of a non-effort that much greater.

He was a fairly competitive 3rd in that race despite all kinds of reasons to not fire.

SCUDSBROTHER · #7 02-16-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How is he 10f limited?

because of how he ran in the Travers after being illogically rushed into making the race off of feet trouble and with only a single 6.5f prep a few weeks earlier. Breaking poorly at the start costing himself position hurt his chances as well and made the likelyhood of a non-effort that much greater.

He was a fairly competitive 3rd in that race despite all kinds of reasons to not fire.

O.K., really, I don't know how in the hell this is happening, but it's the same situation as with St. Trinians, and Sidney's Candy. We'll pass on the race you say was troubled. Go to the following race (J.C. G CUP.) The horse is enjoying the track. The track may have bothered some that day, but not the top 2. He's playing on the front of a 24.96, 49.73, 113.12 pace. If he is a 10f horse, then there is no reason why he shouldn't outfinish all comers in there. Look at the head-on version of the race. He looks nice on the far turn. So, if it was 9f, I think he holds off the winner in that. It's the final eighth that gets him. Look at his left front. That twirling lasso crap doesn't help. Do you really think this horse can hold a horse like Zenyatta off going 10f when he's tired, n' twirling a lasso? Better be at Gulfstream, or Monmouth. It's probably not gunna happen at Belmont, Churchill, Anita etc. He would need to catch a particularly fast track. No doubt, he is terrific at Gulfstream. Anywhere else, I really think he's much better off going 9f or less. BTW, I thought this twirler (C. Reality) was gunna win the Breeders Cup Classic. He could EASILY beat Alysheba on what looks like a fast HWD STRIP. Wasn't quite the same when the footing changed. Look at him twirl in the stretch at Churchill. On one surface (fast dirt,) he's was awesome, but not when the surface changed. So, if you get that super fast dirt track, yea, Quality Road can win a big race going 10f.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-42Fzs7FKA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oksnqhosh8

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 02-16-2010, 08:08 PM

While it's true that he's no Yankee Bravo ... I think you fail to realize that the Jockey Club Gold Cup was just Quality Road's 3rd start in over 6 months time.

There was nothing wrong with QR's performance either - the track was wet and slow - Fabulous Strike was nailed late by Kodiak Kowboy in the Vosburgh and a race featuring the two best sprinters in the world went in a very slow raw time of 1:10.08

They start on something of a dog leg turn at Belmont at 10fs - and the pace was hardly as slow as you think given the condition of the track. Getting beat one length by a Belmont and Travers winner - and running a 110 Beyer is no great disgrace.

SCUDSBROTHER · #9 02-16-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think you fail to realize that the Jockey Club Gold Cup was just Quality Road's 3rd start in over 6 months time.

There was nothing wrong with QR's performance either - the track was wet and slow - Fabulous Strike was nailed late by Kodiak Kowboy in the Vosburgh and a race featuring the two best sprinters in the world went in a very slow raw time of 1:10.08

They start on something of a dog leg turn at Belmont at 10fs - and the pace was hardly as slow as you think given the condition of the track. Getting beat one length by a Belmont and Travers winner - and running a 110 Beyer is no great disgrace.

I didn't say there's anything wrong with any of his performances. He's just not a natural 10f horse. When they leave Gulfstream, you'll see he will struggle to hold going 10f against the top natural 10f horses. He might get home in some weak 10f stakes. They'll think they have a 10f horse, but they don't. They should point to the B.C. Sprint, or MILE. That's probably not what they want. So, he'll fade in the last 8th of a mile in the Classic (twirling away.. ala Cutless Reality 22 years earlier.)

Revidere · #10 02-17-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Getting beat one length by a Belmont and Travers winner - and running a 110 Beyer is no great disgrace.

Didn't she beat same Belmont, Travers, JCGC winner by 3 lengths?

Don't give me the surface. He ran his race. She was just better.

Thunder Gulch · #11 02-18-2010, 09:05 AM

I don't think QR was ready to run his best race that day, and I don't know if he would have handled the surface. Any dirt track in America, yes.

The Bid · #12 02-18-2010, 09:31 AM

Then I need a moderate one to make me 3.5 million. Anytime you beat a horse by 8 in hand thats won 6 G1 you are at the top of your business. Quality Road hasn't beaten anything at all. He ran off the screen against a bunch of zeros. He lost to Summer Bird twice, do you think Zenyatta would beat him? I think she would drill his ass, in fact she did. He finished behind superstars like Hold me Back, Theregoesjojo.

Zenyatta has finished behind none, and until she finishes behind one, shes where its at. Regardless of her figures, her surface, whatever argument anybody has...The fact is shes never been beaten. The only thing going thats goign to beat her right now is Mike Smith. He has tried his best on multiple occasions.

I guess we can make an argument that Summer Bird lost to Rachel by 6. Summerbird beat QR by 1 and 3.5. Zenyatta beat Summerbird 5 and he was up and down like a 15 dollar BJ. That would put R and Z in the same catagory, although I would argue Zenyatta is better than Rachel, or was last year. QR is not even in the same zipcode. I think thats accurate of the 3 horses we have mentioned. We have two filly/mares for the ages, and one pretty good older horse running against zeros.

Sure QR has a right to get better, and he would need to run that huge race back against either of the aforementioned to be in the ballgame

The Bid · #13 02-17-2010, 12:58 AM

Please stop. He beat a bunch of dog biscuits and sat a perfect trip. He wouldn't want to see that big Bi tch come rolling you can believe that

letswastemoney · #14 02-17-2010, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Please stop. He beat a bunch of dog biscuits and sat a perfect trip. He wouldn't want to see that big Bi tch come rolling you can believe that

What if he got a perfect trip against Zenyatta? I mean unless it's the BC, how many horses really are going to face Quality Road and Zenyatta if they ever met up before then? So it would be a small field probably.