No Middle Class Tax Hikes?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's true. but i think perhaps chuck's point is that while sarah palin holds no office right now (and hopefully never holds one again) pelosi is very much in a position to affect policies.

Okay. I didn't read it that way but if that is the point (and I think you are being your usually generous self ) I still don't think she embodies the democratic party. The worst of what the democratic party can be? I will buy that. But while we have a democrat in the white house, he is the face of the party and embodies what the party should be about.

Palin truly embodies what the republican party has become. A sad caricature of old ways and thoughts that has little grasp on the realities of a changing world and continues to hitch its star to the bible belt.

Republicans need to re brand. This isnt an insult but merely a statement of fact. When one of your leading candidates is currently working for FOX news and looking clueless doing it, you need to rebrand.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay. I didn't read it that way but if that is the point (and I think you are being your usually generous self ) I still don't think she embodies the democratic party. The worst of what the democratic party can be? I will buy that. But while we have a democrat in the white house, he is the face of the party and embodies what the party should be about.

Palin truly embodies what the republican party has become. A sad caricature of old ways and thoughts that has little grasp on the realities of a changing world and continues to hitch its star to the bible belt.

Republicans need to re brand. This isnt an insult but merely a statement of fact. When one of your leading candidates is currently working for FOX news and looking clueless doing it, you need to rebrand.

Republicans REALLY need to rebrand and they should start by not pandering to the religious right. That is their downfall. Of course Bush didnt help but he pandered to the religious right and spent like a democrat AND got us in an unnecessary war.. man yeah he really screwed things up for the Red People.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Republicans REALLY need to rebrand and they should start by not pandering to the religious right. That is their downfall. Of course Bush didnt help but he pandered to the religious right and spent like a democrat AND got us in an unnecessary war.. man yeah he really screwed things up for the Red People.

I think the above comments form Lori nail it, (except it's, "spend like a Republican" when you look at the last 40-60 years ,g>) but I can't see them damping down the religious right - they needed it for any win in the past 10 years.

We just have to see what happens with the various Tea Baggers - if they collapse totally (kind of what it looks like right now), or if they (any one of the groups, there are several and they are all infighting) can muster up candidates for 2010. The GOP is already scared the Baggers will take votes from the right candidate, like what happened in New York Congressional District loss.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the above comments form Lori nail it, (except it's, "spend like a Republican" when you look at the last 40-60 years ,g>) but I can't see them damping down the religious right - they needed it for any win in the past 10 years.
We just have to see what happens with the various Tea Baggers - if they collapse totally (kind of what it looks like right now), or if they (any one of the groups, there are several and they are all infighting) can muster up candidates for 2010. The GOP is already scared the Baggers will take votes from the right candidate, like what happened in New York Congressional District loss.

i disagree with that. the religious right isn't going to leave a centrist republican ticket and vote for a dem. instead of republicans pandering to the far right, they should be moving to the center-something they always seem to demand of the party across the aisle. the party both sides need to attempt to please are all of us who don't affiliate ourselves with a party. independents were who forced a change in massachusettes; that should be a wakeup call to both parties.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i disagree with that. the religious right isn't going to leave a centrist republican ticket and vote for a dem. instead of republicans pandering to the far right, they should be moving to the center-something they always seem to demand of the party across the aisle. the party both sides need to attempt to please are all of us who don't affiliate ourselves with a party. independents were who forced a change in massachusettes; that should be a wakeup call to both parties.

Naw, I'm talking about how the GOP needed the religious right for wins the last 10 years - how Bush got elected, etc. They needed it for McCain, it was the only reason Palin was on the ticket. The GOP is not damping down the religious right in the least. It's about all they have left of their party.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Naw, I'm talking about how the GOP needed the religious right for wins the last 10 years - how Bush got elected, etc. They needed it for McCain, it was the only reason Palin was on the ticket. The GOP is not damping down the religious right in the least. It's about all they have left of their party.

They havent done too bad lately for a party that you keep inferring to as dead.

But you are correct in they have pandered too much to the far right. Once they figure out the RR is voting for them anyway and follow the Scott Brown Model, the dems will get routed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They havent done too bad lately for a party that you keep inferring to as dead.

But you are correct in they have pandered too much to the far right. Once they figure out the RR is voting for them anyway and follow the Scott Brown Model, the dems will get routed.

No, I fear they are dead, Chuck. They have done badly. They lost the NY 23rd Congressional seat, a seat that hasn't been Dem for 40 years?

The GOP didn't even support Scott Brown. He was on his own. He ran against a rock, a nothing. He ran a brilliant campaign, I give him great credit for that - he's really a very moderate guy (pro-choice, voted yes to Mass healthcare, etc) who didn't campaign as a Republican at all (it was not mentioned in any of his ads), and who campaigned essentially on two inflammatory hot button issues. And notice that since he's been on the national scene, he hasn't made much commitment one way or the other.

The GOP didn't really win Mass as much as the Dems lost it by lack of participation (and deserved the loss). In other words, I can't read Mass as a massive GOP resurgence.

But you are correct in they have pandered too much to the far right. Once they figure out the RR is voting for them anyway and follow the Scott Brown Model, the dems will get routed.

I think alot of the RR won't vote for a GOP if a Tea Party candidate is available. That's how NY 23rd was lost - split vote Teabag and GOP, the Dem won clearly.

[joeydb]

Well, if you like polls...

http://politicalwire.com/archives/20...socialist.html

"A new Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll of Republicans finds that 63% believe that President Obama is a socialist, compared to 21% who say he is not and 16% that are not sure.

The survey also found that 53% believe that Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama, with 14% who believe Obama is more qualified and 33% who said they were not sure."

The Daily Kos is not exactly known for being a right-leaning organization either...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Well, if you like polls...

http://politicalwire.com/archives/20...socialist.html

"A new Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll of Republicans finds that 63% believe that President Obama is a socialist, compared to 21% who say he is not and 16% that are not sure.

The survey also found that 53% believe that Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama, with 14% who believe Obama is more qualified and 33% who said they were not sure."

The Daily Kos is not exactly known for being a right-leaning organization either...

But the poll was only asking REPUBLICANS what they thought. And if only 53% of your party thinks that one of your leading candidates is more qualified to be president than a guy that is a republican's nightmare, YOU GOT PROBLEMS.

[joeydb]

Yeah, but the magnitude is different. The Republicans have a few paper cuts but the Democrats are hemorrhaging.

[Smooth Operator]

Palin – Jeb 2012

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Palin – Jeb 2012

Thankfully, Palin has no chance in hell on being on any presidential ticket for the rest of her life after she bailed on her job in Alaska. Thank you sweet Jesus.

I find republicans to be morons for attaching themselves to this hypocritical woman.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Thankfully, Palin has no chance in hell on being on any presidential ticket for the rest of her life after she bailed on her job in Alaska. Thank you sweet Jesus.

I find republicans to be morons for attaching themselves to this hypocritical woman.

I'm just finishing up "Game Change", the story of the 2009 elections. McCain was an irresponsible idiot who didn't really want to be Pres. He wanted Lieberman as VP. They gave him Palin as a political move. They didn't vet. They immediately learned they had a disaster on their hands with her. They would try to put out fires, and she would just outright lie. Pretty riveting reading.

I watched Palin with O'Reilly, and with Beck when Faux News hired her - I think both those professional actors know, from those interview responses, now that she's dumb and useless. Good for winking and spouting platitudes, but not a working brain cell to be found.

For example, Palin is currently calling for Rahmbo E to step down, as he called a Dem plan "effing retarded". Palin, who has a Down baby, is incensed over the use of the word retarded and has compared it to racial slurs and the N-word, and called for his firing.

Unfortunately, before saying this, Palin has apparently forgotten that on the campaign trail last year, her staff witnessed and have publically talked about her stepping off stage, etc., then asking, "Where's my retarded baby?" about Trig (who she carried around on her hip like a prop, much to the chagrin of Down organizations who wondered why the child wasn't getting the special schooling such children need to maximize their potential)

Thai me up!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Palin – Jeb 2012

That ticket would get 30-36% of the national vote if lucky. It would be a history-making loss

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The Daily Kos is not exactly known for being a right-leaning organization either...

Kos is definitely far left, but Research 2000 is a professional, non-partisan research org with good cred. Kos hired them to do the poll. Results valid.