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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

And, sadly, Sarah Palin is the embodiment of the Republican party.

Hardly. She was a Gov in a fairly insignifigant state that no longer holds any position in the party. Pelosi is a long term, mean spirited, morally bankrupt, deeply embedded psuedo intellectual. Palin is more of a media story than anything. Pelosi is a reminder of a lot of what is wrong with this country.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hardly. She was a Gov in a fairly insignifigant state that no longer holds any position in the party. Pelosi is a long term, mean spirited, morally bankrupt, deeply embedded psuedo intellectual. Palin is more of a media story than anything. Pelosi is a reminder of a lot of what is wrong with this country.

LOL She was on the Republican ticket! She is the most recognizable Republican in the entire country. Like it or not- she, limbaugh and hannity are what people think of when they think of republicans these days.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL She was on the Republican ticket! She is the most recognizable Republican in the entire country. Like it or not- she, limbaugh and hannity are what people think of when they think of republicans these days.

that's true. but i think perhaps chuck's point is that while sarah palin holds no office right now (and hopefully never holds one again) pelosi is very much in a position to affect policies.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that's true. but i think perhaps chuck's point is that while sarah palin holds no office right now (and hopefully never holds one again) pelosi is very much in a position to affect policies.

Okay. I didn't read it that way but if that is the point (and I think you are being your usually generous self ) I still don't think she embodies the democratic party. The worst of what the democratic party can be? I will buy that. But while we have a democrat in the white house, he is the face of the party and embodies what the party should be about.

Palin truly embodies what the republican party has become. A sad caricature of old ways and thoughts that has little grasp on the realities of a changing world and continues to hitch its star to the bible belt.

Republicans need to re brand. This isnt an insult but merely a statement of fact. When one of your leading candidates is currently working for FOX news and looking clueless doing it, you need to rebrand.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay. I didn't read it that way but if that is the point (and I think you are being your usually generous self ) I still don't think she embodies the democratic party. The worst of what the democratic party can be? I will buy that. But while we have a democrat in the white house, he is the face of the party and embodies what the party should be about.

Palin truly embodies what the republican party has become. A sad caricature of old ways and thoughts that has little grasp on the realities of a changing world and continues to hitch its star to the bible belt.

Republicans need to re brand. This isnt an insult but merely a statement of fact. When one of your leading candidates is currently working for FOX news and looking clueless doing it, you need to rebrand.

Republicans REALLY need to rebrand and they should start by not pandering to the religious right. That is their downfall. Of course Bush didnt help but he pandered to the religious right and spent like a democrat AND got us in an unnecessary war.. man yeah he really screwed things up for the Red People.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Republicans REALLY need to rebrand and they should start by not pandering to the religious right. That is their downfall. Of course Bush didnt help but he pandered to the religious right and spent like a democrat AND got us in an unnecessary war.. man yeah he really screwed things up for the Red People.

I think the above comments form Lori nail it, (except it's, "spend like a Republican" when you look at the last 40-60 years ,g>) but I can't see them damping down the religious right - they needed it for any win in the past 10 years.

We just have to see what happens with the various Tea Baggers - if they collapse totally (kind of what it looks like right now), or if they (any one of the groups, there are several and they are all infighting) can muster up candidates for 2010. The GOP is already scared the Baggers will take votes from the right candidate, like what happened in New York Congressional District loss.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I think the above comments form Lori nail it, (except it's, "spend like a Republican" when you look at the last 40-60 years ,g>) but I can't see them damping down the religious right - they needed it for any win in the past 10 years.
We just have to see what happens with the various Tea Baggers - if they collapse totally (kind of what it looks like right now), or if they (any one of the groups, there are several and they are all infighting) can muster up candidates for 2010. The GOP is already scared the Baggers will take votes from the right candidate, like what happened in New York Congressional District loss.

i disagree with that. the religious right isn't going to leave a centrist republican ticket and vote for a dem. instead of republicans pandering to the far right, they should be moving to the center-something they always seem to demand of the party across the aisle. the party both sides need to attempt to please are all of us who don't affiliate ourselves with a party. independents were who forced a change in massachusettes; that should be a wakeup call to both parties.

[joeydb]

Well, if you like polls...

http://politicalwire.com/archives/20...socialist.html

"A new Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll of Republicans finds that 63% believe that President Obama is a socialist, compared to 21% who say he is not and 16% that are not sure.

The survey also found that 53% believe that Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama, with 14% who believe Obama is more qualified and 33% who said they were not sure."

The Daily Kos is not exactly known for being a right-leaning organization either...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Well, if you like polls...

http://politicalwire.com/archives/20...socialist.html

"A new Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll of Republicans finds that 63% believe that President Obama is a socialist, compared to 21% who say he is not and 16% that are not sure.

The survey also found that 53% believe that Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama, with 14% who believe Obama is more qualified and 33% who said they were not sure."

The Daily Kos is not exactly known for being a right-leaning organization either...

But the poll was only asking REPUBLICANS what they thought. And if only 53% of your party thinks that one of your leading candidates is more qualified to be president than a guy that is a republican's nightmare, YOU GOT PROBLEMS.

[joeydb]

Yeah, but the magnitude is different. The Republicans have a few paper cuts but the Democrats are hemorrhaging.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

The Daily Kos is not exactly known for being a right-leaning organization either...

Kos is definitely far left, but Research 2000 is a professional, non-partisan research org with good cred. Kos hired them to do the poll. Results valid.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

LOL She was on the Republican ticket! She is the most recognizable Republican in the entire country. Like it or not- she, limbaugh and hannity are what people think of when they think of republicans these days.

Actually that is what biased Dems and thier media friends want you to believe...

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually that is what biased Dems and thier media friends want you to believe...

Really? According to independant polls (gallup,pew,etc) out there, she is one of the three leading candidates to win the republican nomination. Do you want me to post the links?

If you poll strictly REPUBLICANS her numbers are quite higher. This isnt some conspiracy, this is fact.

I have said it once and I will say it a thousand times- this is the problem with the republican party Charles. You have created these monsters like Sarah Palin and now you don't know what to do with her. The base is hopelessly split. A conservative with a brain couldnt possibly vote her into office but his alternative is a mormon...from mass! LOL

Good luck with that 4 year obama thing.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Really? According to independant polls (gallup,pew,etc) out there, she is one of the three leading candidates to win the republican nomination. Do you want me to post the links?

If you poll strictly REPUBLICANS her numbers are quite higher. This isnt some conspiracy, this is fact.

I have said it once and I will say it a thousand times- this is the problem with the republican party Charles. You have created these monsters like Sarah Palin and now you don't know what to do with her. The base is hopelessly split. A conservative with a brain couldnt possibly vote her into office but his alternative is a mormon...from mass! LOL

Good luck with that 4 year obama thing.

all very, very true. all the republicans can hope for is someone to come out of the woodwork, ala clinton the first time he ran. when he threw his hat in the ring, no one really gave him a shot.
palin is a pathetic joke. i don't like huck, or gingrich either. if romneys only toss (and i don't know that it is the only one) is that he's mormon, that means nothing to me-but it will to many, which is another shame.
i don't care if obama gets another term. congress evidently will swing to the other side come november, which means hopefully more working together in congress. you have to work together when no one can just muscle through legislation. the country is split, it seems only fitting that the govt should be as well.

but it wasn't long ago that everyone was sticking a fork in the dems, saying they were floundering without a face, someone to lead them. we know how that's worked out. we've been here before, more than once.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all very, very true. all the republicans can hope for is someone to come out of the woodwork, ala clinton the first time he ran. when he threw his hat in the ring, no one really gave him a shot.
palin is a pathetic joke. i don't like huck, or gingrich either. if romneys only toss (and i don't know that it is the only one) is that he's mormon, that means nothing to me-but it will to many, which is another shame.
i don't care if obama gets another term. congress evidently will swing to the other side come november, which means hopefully more working together in congress. you have to work together when no one can just muscle through legislation. the country is split, it seems only fitting that the govt should be as well.

but it wasn't long ago that everyone was sticking a fork in the dems, saying they were floundering without a face, someone to lead them. we know how that's worked out. we've been here before, more than once.

There is a moderate Illinois Republican ( pro-choice, gun control ) who won the Republican nomination for Obama's Senate seat named Mark Kirk. He has a chance to follow the same path Obama did if he wins the November election against a beatable Democrat.

But you are right..no pun intended..the Cons have to fight someone formidable because there cast of usual suspects won't get it done in 2012 no matter how much the extreme right hates the President.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Really? According to independant polls (gallup,pew,etc) out there, she is one of the three leading candidates to win the republican nomination. Do you want me to post the links?

If you poll strictly REPUBLICANS her numbers are quite higher. This isnt some conspiracy, this is fact.

I have said it once and I will say it a thousand times- this is the problem with the republican party Charles. You have created these monsters like Sarah Palin and now you don't know what to do with her. The base is hopelessly split. A conservative with a brain couldnt possibly vote her into office but his alternative is a mormon...from mass! LOL

Good luck with that 4 year obama thing.

I thought Rush was the leader? Seriously these nebulous issues are always being painted as absolutes despite the obvious mitigating circumstances. I dont believe that Palin will run for office anyway. What she is doing now is much easier and more lucrative. Maybe I am wrong but I dont think she is going to run.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hardly. She was a Gov in a fairly insignifigant state that no longer holds any position in the party. Pelosi is a long term, mean spirited, morally bankrupt, deeply embedded psuedo intellectual. Palin is more of a media story than anything. Pelosi is a reminder of a lot of what is wrong with this country.

Strange. I find Sarah Palin - the deliberate lies, the hate-mongering, the religious zealotism, that some people would put her one old heartbeat away from being President of the United States - to be a terrifying reminder of what is wrong with this country.

[Riot]

Something Chuck can dismiss as rabid liberal yammering ...

"Obama Hatred - Large Portion Of GOP Thinks Obama Is Racist, Socialist, Non-U.S. Citizen: Poll"

A new poll of more than 2,000 self-identified Republican voters illustrates the incredible paranoia enveloping the party and the intense pressure drawing lawmakers further and further away from political moderation.

The numbers speak for themselves -- a large portion of GOP voters think that President Obama is racist, socialist or a non-US citizen -- though, when considering them, it is important to note that a disproportionate percentage of respondents are from GOP strongholds in the South (42 percent) as opposed to the Northeast (11 percent). Also note that this is a poll of self-identified Republicans, which means that independent Tea Party types are not included.

Nevertheless here are some of the standout figures as provided by Daily Kos/Research 2000:

* 39 percent of Republicans believe Obama should be impeached, 29 percent are not sure, 32 percent said he should not be voted out of office.

* 36 percent of Republicans believe Obama was not born in the United States, 22 percent are not sure, 42 percent think he is a natural citizen.

* 31 percent of Republicans believe Obama is a "Racist who hates White people" -- the description once adopted by Fox News's Glenn Beck. 33 percent were not sure, and 36 percent said he was not a racist.

* 63 percent of Republicans think Obama is a socialist, 16 percent are not sure, 21 percent say he is not

* 24 percent of Republicans believe Obama wants "the terrorists to win," 33 percent aren't sure, 43 percent said he did not want the terrorist to win.

* 21 percent of Republicans believe ACORN stole the 2008 election, 55 percent are not sure, 24 percent said the community organizing group did not steal the election.

* 23 percent of Republicans believe that their state should secede from the United States, 19 percent aren't sure, 58 percent said no.

* 53 percent of Republicans said they believe Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than Obama.

During his appearance at the House Republican retreat last Friday, Obama explained that it was hard to forge bipartisan consensus when lawmakers were trashing his health care bill as a "Bolshevik plot". These poll numbers show that the gulf preventing bipartisan consensus extends well beyond health care.

How does a Republican lawmaker explain to his or her die-hard base that it is important to work on legislation with a racist, socialist president who is illegally holding office only because of the help of ACORN?

"This is why it's becoming impossible for elected Republicans to work with Democrats to improve our country," said Markos Moulitsas, founder and publisher of Daily Kos. "They are a party beholden to conspiracy theorists who don't even believe Obama was born in the United States, and already want to impeach him despite a glaring lack of scandal or wrongdoing. They think Obama is racist against white people and the second coming of Lenin. And if any of them stray and decide to do the right thing and try to work in a bipartisan fashion, they suffer primaries and attacks. Given what their base demands -- and this poll illustrates them perfectly -- it's no wonder the GOP is the party of no."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_445951.html

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Something Chuck can dismiss as rabid liberal yammering ...

Seriously Dala calls an oped piece from a well respected newspaper as completely biased and you want to try to act as anything from the Daily Kos isnt complete gibberish?
LOL

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously Dala calls an oped piece from a well respected newspaper as completely biased and you want to try to act as anything from the Daily Kos isnt complete gibberish?
LOL

If Palin gets the nod in 2012, do you vote for her?