Political Climate

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obama is a liberal. The idea that he isnt a liberal or acting as a "real" liberal is promoted because the far left is stomping thier feet. But he is a politician before he is a liberal and even he realizes that a lot of stuff that the radicals want simply will kill his reelection (not that what he has done isnt already doing it) chances. Not to mention that despite the coronation he is not a King and cant just wave his magic wand and make things happen or go away. The beauty of our system of government is the checks and balances that dont allow one man agenda's to be imposed. But seriously he is pro union, pro taxes, pro climate change, pro healthcare reform, anti business, pro abortion, pro gay rights, pro big govt, antiwar(despite his actions on the wars which he correctly knows he has to do), pro ACLU...I mean what anti liberal stance has he ever taken outside of the troop surge that he tried to appease liberals by announcing the date of the withdrawl before retracting it. As far as the economic stuff he is clueless about what to do and obviously just goes along with what his guys want.

Other than the last sentence, which I'll just pass on, I really can't disagree with what you wrote. The point of contention with Liberals is that he hasn't put the focus on the social liberal issues as much as "we" would like. That is understandable based on what this country was like when he took office, and seriously not a Bush blame here at all...sh*t happens...but, if he has to move to the Center, or even to the right to get things done, I much prefer it be over economic topics than social ones.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Other than the last sentence, which I'll just pass on, I really can't disagree with what you wrote. The point of contention with Liberals is that he hasn't put the focus on the social liberal issues as much as "we" would like. That is understandable based on what this country was like when he took office, and seriously not a Bush blame here at all...sh*t happens...but, if he has to move to the Center, or even to the right to get things done, I much prefer it be over economic topics than social ones.

amen!! I just really dont understand why the "right" can't be pro gay rights either?? Makes no sense to me.

I would love conservative fiscal and economic policies and liberal social policies... Only way that happens is if we get a libertarian in office.

edit: by the way, when you coming to Ocala??

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

amen!! I just really dont understand why the "right" can't be pro gay rights either?? Makes no sense to me.

I would love conservative fiscal and economic policies and liberal social policies... Only way that happens is if we get a libertarian in office.

edit: by the way, when you coming to Ocala??

because of the religious issue with the far right neo-cons. remember, sarah palin thinks you can pray gay away....
but i'd rather they just minded their own business, and stick to 'all are created equal'. it would be soooo much easier that way!

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

because of the religious issue with the far right neo-cons. remember, sarah palin thinks you can pray gay away....
but i'd rather they just minded their own business, and stick to 'all are created equal'. it would be soooo much easier that way!

yeah, I should be able to marry my dog and claim our puppies on my taxes


come on who are you to judge

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

yeah, I should be able to marry my dog and claim our puppies on my taxes


come on who are you to judge

this is unbelievable. WTF does that have to do with gay rights?

You compare me, Honu, BWS, DerbyCat, etc. marrying our partners to you marrying your dog and claiming puppies?

Unbelievably ignorant and incredibly pathetic. And the "religious right" wonders why nobody except them takes them seriously.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this is unbelievable. WTF does that have to do with gay rights?
You compare me, Honu, BWS, DerbyCat, etc. marrying our partners to you marrying your dog and claiming puppies?

Unbelievably ignorant and incredibly pathetic. And the "religious right" wonders why nobody except them takes them seriously.

absolutely nothing. ooops, there I go judging again.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

absolutely nothing. ooops, there I go judging again.

AeNuthead is showing his homophobic opinions very strongly today.. maybe he was hit on by a dude last night or something. Or maybe he just loves his dog in a very gross way?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

yeah, I should be able to marry my dog and claim our puppies on my taxes


come on who are you to judge

i didn't realize i was judging in saying that everyone should worry about themselves.

also didn't realize that dogs were humans able to give consent. or that they were citizens covered by the u.s. constitution. you know, the one that says we're all created equal??

many countries now allow gay marriage. but we're the land of the free???

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

yeah, I should be able to marry my dog and claim our puppies on my taxes

Just go away.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

yeah, I should be able to marry my dog and claim our puppies on my taxes


come on who are you to judge

I agree. What goes on between you and your dog is your business.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Other than the last sentence, which I'll just pass on, I really can't disagree with what you wrote. The point of contention with Liberals is that he hasn't put the focus on the social liberal issues as much as "we" would like. That is understandable based on what this country was like when he took office, and seriously not a Bush blame here at all...sh*t happens...but, if he has to move to the Center, or even to the right to get things done, I much prefer it be over economic topics than social ones.

i agree 100%!!
back when don't ask, don't tell was mentioned-since he said he wanted rid of it-obama said 'we need to focus on the economy, etc, etc'. all last fall, the exec and ledge were solely focused on health care, not just the economy. so, the suggestion that he couldn't have more than one iron in the fire at a time was bogus. it was an excuse by him not to do what he said he wanted to do. and it was most likely because he was already making some unhappy with his agenda, and didn't want to make more folks angry at him. but, he also said he would rather be a good one termer, than a mediocare two-termer...so i can't help but think he's not really being sincere on that score either.
but at least he did get rid of bushes stem cell ban.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i agree 100%!!
back when don't ask, don't tell was mentioned-since he said he wanted rid of it-obama said 'we need to focus on the economy, etc, etc'. all last fall, the exec and ledge were solely focused on health care, not just the economy. so, the suggestion that he couldn't have more than one iron in the fire at a time was bogus. it was an excuse by him not to do what he said he wanted to do. and it was most likely because he was already making some unhappy with his agenda, and didn't want to make more folks angry at him. but, he also said he would rather be a good one termer, than a mediocare two-termer...so i can't help but think he's not really being sincere on that score either.
but at least he did get rid of bushes stem cell ban.

Strictly a guess but i would think that he hasn't taken a more liberal stance (or done anything in some cases) on some issues especially the dont ask, dont tell issue is that the polling shows that it wont be well received and may hurt his numbers.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Strictly a guess but i would think that he hasn't taken a more liberal stance (or done anything in some cases) on some issues especially the dont ask, dont tell issue is that the polling shows that it wont be well received and may hurt his numbers.

i think so too. he's too hamstrung by his party worrying about elections. they don't want to run off right of center independants.

damn shame, everyone more worried about party than doing the right thing in many cases.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think so too. he's too hamstrung by his party worrying about elections. they don't want to run off right of center independants.

damn shame, everyone more worried about party than doing the right thing in many cases.

In his case hardly a shame for the most part

[joeydb]

Election Day can't get here fast enough.

[Nascar1966]

News flash O'Dumbass is going to ask for 230 million to house worthless terrorist thugs now at Gitmo. Nice way to try and waste our taxpayers money O'Dumbass. I guess you care more about worthless thugs than you do about your own people. Hopefully in 2012 you get a one way ticket back to Illinois or Hawaii. Take the First Bitch with you also.