Change of Plans for Lava Man

[Gander]

Yes Rupert but lets not forget the Tin Man's win in the Arl Million didnt count because for once English Channel didnt get his perfect just off the pace trip. So lets throw that out and only count the races English Channel and Cacique won.

[Pedigree Ann]

I don't fancy Affirmed's boy in the BC Turf simply because he has always been better at 10f than at 12f. Against genuine 12f types (of which there aren't a lot in the US this year), I'm afraid he'll be exposed as lacking stamina for 12f at the top level.

The Million fit TTM like a glove this year - ideal distance, ideal pace scenario - in my mind, he should have been even money, not the lovely price I got. Astonishing how people get caught up in arguing 'who is the best horse? (in absolute terms)' and forget to look at the likely pace scenario.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

I don't fancy Affirmed's boy in the BC Turf simply because he has always been better at 10f than at 12f. Against genuine 12f types (of which there aren't a lot in the US this year), I'm afraid he'll be exposed as lacking stamina for 12f at the top level.

The Million fit TTM like a glove this year - ideal distance, ideal pace scenario - in my mind, he should have been even money, not the lovely price I got. Astonishing how people get caught up in arguing 'who is the best horse? (in absolute terms)' and forget to look at the likely pace scenario.

The BC Turf is not 12 furlongs this year. Chirchill does not run 1 1/2 mile races. The race will only be 1 3/8 miles this year.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Since when does Churchill not run 1 1/2? The past BC Turfs there have all been 1 1/2.

You're right. It's only the Filly and Mare Turf that will be run at a different distance. The Churchill layout cannot run a 1 1/4 mile race on the grass, so the Filly and Mare Turf will be 1 3/8 miles.

Someone had told me that the BC Turf would also be run at 1 3/8 miles. That information is wrong.

By the way, The Tin Man has won at 12 furlongs.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

By the way, The Tin Man has won at 12 furlongs.

I know he has, but his best form have been at 10f, IMHO. A good horse can beat lesser types over a trip different from its best, eg. Bold Forbes in the Belmont, I just feel (fear?) The Tin Man can't beat first class 12f horses. I love the horse but am aware of his limitations.