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Old 01-06-2010, 01:15 PM
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Defense wound up #2 in the NFL. Capers is a miracle worker.

soft schedule sniper they are not that good
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Old 01-06-2010, 01:18 PM
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soft schedule sniper they are not that good
lol...gimme a break Marty. They are as good as anyone not named San Diego in the NFL right now. Have you even watched them play outside of the Monday night loss to Minny?
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Old 01-06-2010, 01:31 PM
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soft schedule sniper they are not that good
No softer than Minnesota or Arizona and they are quite good. Maybe not AFC good but definitely could win the NFC.
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Old 01-06-2010, 02:00 PM
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No softer than Minnesota or Arizona and they are quite good. Maybe not AFC good but definitely could win the NFC.

i wasn't talking about the team , i was talking just about the "d"

bob i watched the whole pittsburgh game 2 weeks ago , is that really a championship d?

rogers can carry them for a couple of wins no question about it , but , is the "d" really good eneough to take them all the way ....that is what i am talking about
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i wasn't talking about the team , i was talking just about the "d"

bob i watched the whole pittsburgh game 2 weeks ago , is that really a championship d?

rogers can carry them for a couple of wins no question about it , but , is the "d" really good eneough to take them all the way ....that is what i am talking about
I think that it could get them to the Super Bowl... Sure why not? I really think that the NFC is wide open.

Saints- Arguebly the best team, but haven't looked like worldbeaters the last few weeks.

Vikings- Dangerous team who is a lot better at home and would have to beat the Pack for a third time (didn't work out so well for Dallas a few years ago).

Cards- High powered offense that did beat the Vikings. But you talk about schedules, they didn't exactly beat a cast of world beaters. But probably gained some valueable experience last year.

Cowboys- Dr. Jeckell - Mr. Hyde. They could either be lights out or just God awful. Never know what you are going to get.

Eagles- A team with defensive trouble. Plus people are jumping off the bandwagon quick after last weeks debacle.
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Old 01-06-2010, 02:21 PM
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I think that it could get them to the Super Bowl... Sure why not? I really think that the NFC is wide open.

Saints- Arguebly the best team, but haven't looked like worldbeaters the last few weeks.

Vikings- Dangerous team who is a lot better at home and would have to beat the Pack for a third time (didn't work out so well for Dallas a few years ago).

Cards- High powered offense that did beat the Vikings. But you talk about schedules, they didn't exactly beat a cast of world beaters. But probably gained some valueable experience last year.

Cowboys- Dr. Jeckell - Mr. Hyde. They could either be lights out or just God awful. Never know what you are going to get.

Eagles- A team with defensive trouble. Plus people are jumping off the bandwagon quick after last weeks debacle.

I'll tell you this matt , the 2 nfc winners this week whomever they are can all knock off the saints and vikings

i agree the nfc is wide open

i'm not sold on the packer d , but, as i said rogers can carry them a couple of games , i don't think they can win 3 in a row on the road imo against playoff teams

as far rematches , the cowboys get the eagles for a 3rd time this yr. it is very hard to beat a team 3 times as the cowboys know from 2 yrs ago when they had a bye and waited for the giants to come to them for game 3 ....we know what happened

i think big d benefits here as they play right away , i also think big d has the better d and as long as romo does not implode they should win

2 yrs ago i thought the 7 pt underdog giants had a chance becuase i never got the feeling that dallas was that much better than them in either game during the regular season , if i remember right the 1st game was in big d and it was a shootout and game 2 at the meadowlands was close until TO got free for one late. Watching both philly games this year , i just don't see the philly o being able to do much against the cowboys d ......they will need help from their d to create scoring opportunites
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I'll tell you this matt , the 2 nfc winners this week whomever they are can all knock off the saints and vikings

i agree the nfc is wide open

i'm not sold on the packer d , but, as i said rogers can carry them a couple of games , i don't think they can win 3 in a row on the road imo against playoff teams

as far rematches , the cowboys get the eagles for a 3rd time this yr. it is very hard to beat a team 3 times as the cowboys know from 2 yrs ago when they had a bye and waited for the giants to come to them for game 3 ....we know what happened

i think big d benefits here as they play right away , i also think big d has the better d and as long as romo does not implode they should win

2 yrs ago i thought the 7 pt underdog giants had a chance becuase i never got the feeling that dallas was that much better than them in either game during the regular season , if i remember right the 1st game was in big d and it was a shootout and game 2 at the meadowlands was close until TO got free for one late. Watching both philly games this year , i just don't see the philly o being able to do much against the cowboys d ......they will need help from their d to create scoring opportunites
That's fine, but that doesn't mean that the Packers offense couldn't win a shootout if necessary either.
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That's fine, but that doesn't mean that the Packers offense couldn't win a shootout if necessary either.

i agree with that and never said they couldn't win a couple that way

my original comment said that their d was not good and i stanby that no matter what the numbers say .....they looked like swiss cheese against big ben a few wks ago
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i wasn't talking about the team , i was talking just about the "d"

bob i watched the whole pittsburgh game 2 weeks ago , is that really a championship d?

rogers can carry them for a couple of wins no question about it , but , is the "d" really good eneough to take them all the way ....that is what i am talking about
It makes me use to vomit to talk about Green Bay, yet alone Dallas in a good light. But ask Dallas if Green Bay is a championship caliber D? Dallas got 278 total yds of offense in their game. 63 in the final drive for their only score in garbage time.

Even when Warner and the rest of the offense is back in full, GB is not a team that matches well for them.

Only allowed 185 to Baltimore.
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i wasn't talking about the team , i was talking just about the "d"

bob i watched the whole pittsburgh game 2 weeks ago , is that really a championship d?

rogers can carry them for a couple of wins no question about it , but , is the "d" really good eneough to take them all the way ....that is what i am talking about
Football Outsiders adjusts their defensive stats to every team playing an average schedule and every team recovering the average number of fumbles. The Packers defense still come out #2:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
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Football Outsiders adjusts their defensive stats to every team playing an average schedule and every team recovering the average number of fumbles. The Packers defense still come out #2:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef
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What a wild ride that was...Easy to find cause..

Starting DBs for GB mid season:

Woodson
Harris
Collins
Blackmon
Bigby
Lee

Left from that group yesterday:
Woodson
Collins

Eveyone else lost to injury during season or during game.

They will be fine...get healthy and add a few bodies next year. Great run from a team not many expected much from this year installing a new Defensive scheme
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What a wild ride that was...Easy to find cause..

Starting DBs for GB mid season:

Woodson
Harris
Collins
Blackmon
Bigby
Lee

Left from that group yesterday:
Woodson
Collins

Eveyone else lost to injury during season or during game.

They will be fine...get healthy and add a few bodies next year. Great run from a team not many expected much from this year installing a new Defensive scheme

as i said to billy and you can ask , unless they (the front the dl) could get to warner they would be in big trouble , it didn't matter who was back there , the only way to beat the cardinals besides outscroring them is to hit warner early and oftern with your dl , the lack of pass rush from the dl is also a major hole come playoff time - you gotta get to the qb

correct me if i am wrong but no one mentioned these injuries until you did this am bob , everyone told me the packer d would be fine because they were playing well at the end of the season , my rebutall was the pittsburgh game exposed them and i was told it's just 1 game

i gave them credit for the big d game and for the balt game , but outside of those games the D really hadn't done much all year against quality opponents

as good as rodgers and the offense was , the D forced 1 , count it bob , 1 punt all day .....1 punt

each time the offense rallied the D had a chance - at 17-7 they let warner go right down the field for 24-7

after halftime , warner goes right down the field 31-10

after the onside kick recovery and ensuing td make it 31-24 , warner goes right back to work and makes it 38-24

next, the d get 1 stop and thus rodges is able to tie the game at 38

win the game now green bay d , not what happens .....warner chews right through the d to go back up 45-38

rodgers with one of the best performances ever by a qb win or lose ties the game agian

on the next drive , it's a total disaster , do anything you can to force ot , instead the D gets bailed out by a neil rackers miss at the buzzer

bob they have a long way to go
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