Lets hope Halladay is a playoff stud like Lee

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Phillies getting Halladay and trading Cliff Lee. Aparently, the Phillies were not getting anywhere with Lee in extention talks, and Lee was going to test the FA market after next season.

Phillies would have about a 0% chance of signing Lee in FA and Lee was asking for $23m per year and no home team discount.

This deal is based on a multi-year deal with Halladay.

As much as it saddens me to see Cliff Lee go.. If he wasnt going to sign long term, getting Halladay for 3-4 years is the right deal.

Besides, at last years mid season trade deadline.. nobody was saying Cliff Lee was the best pitcher in baseball.. that accolade went to Halladay.

I just hope Halladay can do even 75% as good as Lee in the playoffs.

Its a given if he stays healthy Halladay is going to tear up the NL.

Reguardless, they are still in the same spot. Substitute Halladay for Lee and they win the same amount of games in the Series. Now if they were able to get Roy and not trade Lee that would be a horse of a different color. Going forward it's a good move because they are upgrading the spot slightly (Lee was excellent for them but I think Halladay is a better pitcher) and locking up Halladay for 4 years. But they are still in the same position with the rest of the staff. Not to mention what the closer situation will be.
Who knows, Happ could be a stud but I have to see more out of him after Charlie Manuel didn't have enough faith to pitch him in the series. I guess Hamels could rebound after last year. Blanton, is mediocore. Then you have Pedro and Moyer. It just seems like they didn't need to address the #1, it was the depth that needed fixing. Plus they lost Drabek too (not sure about the prospects they are getting).

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Reguardless, they are still in the same spot. Substitute Halladay for Lee and they win the same amount of games in the Series. Now if they were able to get Roy and not trade Lee that would be a horse of a different color. Going forward it's a good move because they are upgrading the spot slightly (Lee was excellent for them but I think Halladay is a better pitcher) and locking up Halladay for 4 years. But they are still in the same position with the rest of the staff. Not to mention what the closer situation will be.
Who knows, Happ could be a stud but I have to see more out of him after Charlie Manuel didn't have enough faith to pitch him in the series. I guess Hamels could rebound after last year. Blanton, is mediocore. Then you have Pedro and Moyer. It just seems like they didn't need to address the #1, it was the depth that needed fixing. Plus they lost Drabek too (not sure about the prospects they are getting).

i agree the only difference in the playoffs is Roy can go 3 games in a 7 game series and Phils wouldnt do that with Lee.

They are really basing this move on a faith in cole hamels, he's the key. if he becomes the 2008 version having hamels pitch 3 games and roy 3 in a 7 game series is tough.

Cliff Lee is only $9 mil next year. Its unbelievable on the philly message boards the fans are begging ownership to just charge $3 more per ticket and pay for Lee. LOL

[Gander]

The Phillies are still by far the 2nd best team in baseball and its going to take a lot from somebody else to have a different world series matchup next year. I can't remember a time when the 1 and 2 teams are this much better than the rest. They may as well start selling tickets now.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Gander

The Phillies are still by far the 2nd best team in baseball and its going to take a lot from somebody else to have a different world series matchup next year. I can't remember a time when the 1 and 2 teams are this much better than the rest. They may as well start selling tickets now.

I think the Red Sox have addressed a need and probably will make at least one more major move. Something like re-signing Bay or trading for Adrian Gonzalez. They have some trading chips so I do think something else will be done. The Yanks need another arm, I'm just not sold on Joba or Hughes going back into the rotation. Add that to Andy Pettite who's not getting any younger and it could end up dooming them this year.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I think the Red Sox have addressed a need and probably will make at least one more major move. Something like re-signing Bay or trading for Adrian Gonzalez. They have some trading chips so I do think something else will be done. The Yanks need another arm, I'm just not sold on Joba or Hughes going back into the rotation. Add that to Andy Pettite who's not getting any younger and it could end up dooming them this year.

Red Sox are pretty much officially out of the Bay chase, and that really stinks because they need hitters, specifically power hitters. They arent going to beat the Yankees with singles! I like their pitching rotation slightly better than the Yankees but not enough to think at this point they are any better than a 2nd place team. As far as Joba goes, I think hes a better reliever. I dont think he has the temperment to be a starter and you take away his raw power of just coming in and throwing 15-20 pitches and he becomes incredibly average.

[SniperSB23]

I can't believe they gave Lee up to not pay him $9 million. If Seattle falls out of contention they will get better prospects trading Lee at the All Star break then the Phillies gave up in trading him now. Really strange and cheap move, don't get it at all. Could have understood it if they had to give up Lee to keep Taylor and Drabek but can't understand it in this context.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I can't believe they gave Lee up to not pay him $9 million. If Seattle falls out of contention they will get better prospects trading Lee at the All Star break then the Phillies gave up in trading him now. Really strange and cheap move, don't get it at all. Could have understood it if they had to give up Lee to keep Taylor and Drabek but can't understand it in this context.

i agree. 9 freaking million is nothing for a player like Cliff Lee.

If anything they would get two draft picks for him at FA next year.

All because they were fuc.king idiots and gave Jamie Moyer a 2 year 18 mil deal.

Just man up and pay 9 mil. You had 102% attendence for the year PLUS playoff home games. They can afford it.

Bad move but they said they needed to do it to fill up a depleted minor league system.. which was one of the best last year and now had nobody but Dominic Brown and this Phillipe canadian pitcher dude.

Way to be cheapo's!