Will Ghostzapper..

[randallscott35]

No

[VOL JACK]

Not unless Linda Rice gets a bunch and runs them in Turf sprints.

[NTamm1215]

If he has to settle for being a significantly better racehorse it's not all bad.

That being said, his first crop has been a tad disappointing.

NT

[Scav]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If he has to settle for being a significantly better racehorse it's not all bad.

That being said, his first crop has been a tad disappointing.

NT

Maybe true, but based on what expectations? I sure as heck wasn't expecting him to toss a bunch of 6f sprinters. I think when they start getting to two turns you will see different numbers

[CSC]

I wonder how Ghostzapper would have done had he been trained by Linda Rice and not Robert Frankel...5 1/2 turf sprint champion? What could have been...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Scav

Maybe true, but based on what expectations? I sure as heck wasn't expecting him to toss a bunch of 6f sprinters. I think when they start getting to two turns you will see different numbers

I kind of expected him to throw more first crop winners than the likes of Offlee Wild and Ministers Wild Cat.

I hope his progeny get better with distance.

NT

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Scav

Maybe true, but based on what expectations? I sure as heck wasn't expecting him to toss a bunch of 6f sprinters. I think when they start getting to two turns you will see different numbers

'Zapper was a freak under a mile when he began his career so a bit of speed wouldn't have been a surprise. When you consider his Vosburgh and his Tom Fool, you don't think of him siring colts that win at 8.5f on turf.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Linny

'Zapper was a freak under a mile when he began his career so a bit of speed wouldn't have been a surprise. When you consider his Vosburgh and his Tom Fool, you don't think of him siring colts that win at 8.5f on turf.

Being by Awesome Again out of a Relaunch mare does not really scream Turf Sire.

However, City Zip is by Carson City out of the same Relaunch mare and he throws plenty of turf and Poly runners.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Being by Awesome Again out of a Relaunch mare does not really scream Turf Sire.

However, City Zip is by Carson City out of the same Relaunch mare and he throws plenty of turf and Poly runners.

Relaunch was a turf horse, don't you remember? He won the Del Mar Derby and La Jolla Mile, placed in the G1 San Luis Rey. Sired some decent turf runners, too, like With Anticipation.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Relaunch was a turf horse, don't you remember? He won the Del Mar Derby and La Jolla Mile, placed in the G1 San Luis Rey. Sired some decent turf runners, too, like With Anticipation.

I guess that is where they get it from.

Makes sense..Broken Vow is by Unbridled, but out of a Nijinsky II mare.
Seems like his runners prefer the turf.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Linny

'Zapper was a freak under a mile when he began his career so a bit of speed wouldn't have been a surprise. When you consider his Vosburgh and his Tom Fool, you don't think of him siring colts that win at 8.5f on turf.

Tons of significant races at 7f on the turf Ann? He stood for 300 balloons winning at 6.5 on the lawn doesnt seem a goal of many of those 500k plus yearling AY?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If he has to settle for being a significantly better racehorse it's not all bad.

That being said, his first crop has been a tad disappointing.

NT

City Zip was a damn good racehorse too... probably Carson City's best. Of course... when your brother is the best of a generation, you're always the redheaded stepchild.

I'm not concerned about his babies yet though.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by philcski

City Zip was a damn good racehorse too... probably Carson City's best. Of course... when your brother is the best of a generation, you're always the redheaded stepchild.

I'm not concerned about his babies yet though.

I think City Zip is the best deal at stud. (10k)

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I think City Zip is the best deal at stud. (10k)

I'd probably take Fupeg at 15k in 2010 over CZ at 10k.

I'd take CZ at 10k in a second though over the again drastically reduced fee for Forestry, who will now stand for 17.5K

Indian Charlie for 70k, a 5k drop, is probably the best bargain out there still, of course.

Interesting that Empire Maker dropped to 50k.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I'd probably take Fupeg at 15k in 2010 over CZ at 10k.

I'd take CZ at 10k in a second though over the again drastically reduced fee for Forestry, who will now stand for 17.5K

Indian Charlie for 70k, a 5k drop, is probably the best bargain out there still, of course.

Interesting that Empire Maker dropped to 50k.

Why in the world would you take Fu Peg over CZ?
I think Fupeg is gonna be a decent broodmare Sire...but other than that what has he accomplished in the shed?

Indian Charlie for 70k is O.k.
But If you can afford 70k...you might as well go to Distorted Humor for 100k.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Why in the world would you take Fu Peg over CZ?
I think Fupeg is gonna be a decent broodmare Sire...but other than that what has he accomplished in the shed?

Indian Charlie for 70k is O.k.
But If you can afford 70k...you might as well go to Distorted Humor for 100k.

Advertised stallion fees are a complete joke. Who cares what the advertise at?

How many Fu Peg's are there between the USA/Euro and Australia 12 mil? Remember the first crop I think they averaged 500k at Keeneland..lol

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Why in the world would you take Fu Peg over CZ?
I think Fupeg is gonna be a decent broodmare Sire...but other than that what has he accomplished in the shed?

Indian Charlie for 70k is O.k.
But If you can afford 70k...you might as well go to Distorted Humor for 100k.

I've seen at leas a few fupegs that showed great potential. Including one that debuted not too long ago that is the most impressive debut by a 2yo I've seen this year. He's also sired some superstar down in Australia, as well as Roman Ruler, who's off to a decent start at stud.

CZ though? Yeah, he's proving to be pretty useful, but I doubt you'll see anything too great from him.

Distorted Humor is about the only stallion, last time I checked, that really moves mares up like IC.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I'd probably take Fupeg at 15k in 2010 over CZ at 10k.

I'd take CZ at 10k in a second though over the again drastically reduced fee for Forestry, who will now stand for 17.5K

Indian Charlie for 70k, a 5k drop, is probably the best bargain out there still, of course.

Interesting that Empire Maker dropped to 50k.

Forestry blows. He should stand for free with the amount of money he's burned up.

Fupeg? Seriously? City Zip has 6 stakes winners this year with 14 stakes wins, Fupeg has 4 with 5 wins. His one 2009 graded win was the Derby Mexicano (no joke.) City Zip is ahead of him in every category.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by philcski

Forestry blows. He should stand for free with the amount of money he's burned up.

Fupeg? Seriously? City Zip has 6 stakes winners this year with 14 stakes wins, Fupeg has 4 with 5 wins. His one 2009 graded win was the Derby Mexicano (no joke.) City Zip is ahead of him in every category.

Yeah, Forestry does suck. I can't believe the hype that he got.

I'll grant you Fupeg has been a disappointment, but he's a lot more capable of getting the big horse. Haradasun made close to 2 mil in Australia/Europe for instance. Who are the biggest names for CZ? Gleam of Hope?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by philcski

Forestry blows. He should stand for free with the amount of money he's burned up.

Fupeg? Seriously? City Zip has 6 stakes winners this year with 14 stakes wins, Fupeg has 4 with 5 wins. His one 2009 graded win was the Derby Mexicano (no joke.) City Zip is ahead of him in every category.

Ok, so, like I'm totally bored and said, what the hey, why not compare FuPeg to City Zip myself. Here's what I found in the first stallion list I looked at.

Fupeg ranks 6th on the General Sire list with a hair under 9 mil in earnings this year.

CZ is 40th with 4.5 mil.

# of crops: Fupeg 6, CZ 5

# of starters: FP 394, CZ 168. Gotta be a dual hemisphere thing.

# of winner: 136 to 98.

Repeat winners: 51 to 40

Stakes winner: 4 to 6

GSW: 1 each

I have no idea how accurate the southern hemisphere stats are. I am pretty sure though that they are not complete, as I found an Aussie graded winner to go with the Mexican one.

I'm not really sure how Fupeg has 9 mil in earnings with stats like these, but after looking over those stats, I'd still go with him at 15k over CZ, especially since you have a chance at hitting a home run with him.

I'm surprised nobody on here has mentioned that filly of his that won recently, She's Funomenal, at HP.

I have no illusions about that filly staying sound or good for a long time, but still, that was a pretty impressive debut.