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Will Ghostzapper..

ever be as good a sire as his brother?

http://secure3.werkhorse.com/enicks/...NERS_11-23.pdf

Not unless Linda Rice gets a bunch and runs them in Turf sprints.

If he has to settle for being a significantly better racehorse it's not all bad.

That being said, his first crop has been a tad disappointing.

NT

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If he has to settle for being a significantly better racehorse it's not all bad.

That being said, his first crop has been a tad disappointing.

NT

Maybe true, but based on what expectations? I sure as heck wasn't expecting him to toss a bunch of 6f sprinters. I think when they start getting to two turns you will see different numbers

I wonder how Ghostzapper would have done had he been trained by Linda Rice and not Robert Frankel...5 1/2 turf sprint champion? What could have been...

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Originally Posted by Scav

Maybe true, but based on what expectations? I sure as heck wasn't expecting him to toss a bunch of 6f sprinters. I think when they start getting to two turns you will see different numbers

I kind of expected him to throw more first crop winners than the likes of Offlee Wild and Ministers Wild Cat.

I hope his progeny get better with distance.

NT

His babies are:

3 for 11 routing
4 for 12 on the grass

I'm not quite ready to give up on him.

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If he has to settle for being a significantly better racehorse it's not all bad.

That being said, his first crop has been a tad disappointing.

NT

City Zip was a damn good racehorse too... probably Carson City's best. Of course... when your brother is the best of a generation, you're always the redheaded stepchild.

I'm not concerned about his babies yet though.

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Originally Posted by philcski

I think City Zip is the best deal at stud. (10k)

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I think City Zip is the best deal at stud. (10k)

I'd probably take Fupeg at 15k in 2010 over CZ at 10k.

I'd take CZ at 10k in a second though over the again drastically reduced fee for Forestry, who will now stand for 17.5K

Indian Charlie for 70k, a 5k drop, is probably the best bargain out there still, of course.

Interesting that Empire Maker dropped to 50k.

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

I think City Zip is the best deal at stud. (10k)

table didn't come out too good but he ranks very high in all categories in his group (>$7,500 and less than $20k.)
I like him a lot as well.

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name                        fee        first year at stud        runners        winners        stakes winners        earnings        earnings per runner        earnings per runner/fee

Birdstone**                     $10,000        2005        65        27        4        $5,370,431        $82,622.02        8.26

Candy Ride (ARG)**                $12,500        2005        107        57        9        $4,097,699        $38,296.25        3.06

Even the Score**                $15,000        2005        81        45        3        $2,476,723        $30,576.83        2.04

Northern Afleet**                        $7,500        1999        241        147        9        $7,328,402        $30,408.31        4.05

Belong to Me**                        $10,000        1994        137        71        9        $3,976,165        $29,023.10        2.90

Pure Prize**                        $12,500        2003        127        72        9        $3,587,426        $28,247.45        2.26

Freud**                                $7,500        2002        121        62        8        $3,321,246        $27,448.31        3.66

City Zip**                                $12,500        2002        171        100        6        $4,551,974        $26,619.73        2.13

Petionville**                        $10,000        1997        167        94        5        $4,372,806        $26,184.47        2.62

Jump Start**                         $10,000        2003        165        98        8        $4,251,979        $25,769.57        2.58

Mizzen Mast**                        $17,500        2003        152        84        9        $3,807,649        $25,050.32        1.43

Montbrook**                        $10,000        1995        144        79        7        $3,547,456        $24,635.11        2.46

E Dubai**                                $15,000        2003        150        90        7        $3,654,636        $24,364.24        1.62

Milwaukee Brew**                $7,500        2004        146        80        5        $3,527,335        $24,159.83        3.22

Toccet**                                $7,500        2005        104        64        5        $2,472,066        $23,769.87        3.17

War Chant**                        $15,000        2001        131        62        10        $3,062,604        $23,378.66        1.56

Quiet American**                        $15,000        1992        135        61        5        $3,100,812        $22,968.98        1.53

Include**                                $17,500        2003        141        80        3        $3,181,565        $22,564.29        1.29

Mutakddim**                        $12,500        1997        222        138        12        $4,839,564        $21,799.84        1.74

Repent**                                $7,500        2004        142        67        4        $3,061,535        $21,560.11        2.87

Orientate**                        $12,500        2003        187        105        5        $3,998,002        $21,379.69        1.71

Valid Expectations**                $10,000        1998        115        78        7        $2,444,183        $21,253.77        2.13

Stephen Got Even**                $7,500        2001        197        105        6        $4,131,883        $20,974.03        2.80

Congaree**                        $10,000        2005        96        43        3        $2,006,277        $20,898.72        2.09

Touch Gold**                        $15,000        1999        203        107        5        $4,158,729        $20,486.35        1.37

Aptitude**                                $10,000        2002        138        68        3        $2,756,551        $19,975.01        2.00

Put It Back**                       $8,500        2002        142        79        9        $2,782,127        $19,592.44        2.30

Peace Rules**                        $7,500        2005        118        73        2        $2,297,784        $19,472.75        2.60

Catienus**                         $10,000        2001        156        96        5        $3,027,194        $19,405.09        1.94

Smoke Glacken**                        $17,500        1998        187        103        5        $3,584,908        $19,170.63        1.10

Chapel Royal**                        $10,000        2005        149        72        3        $2,773,050        $18,611.07        1.86

Point Given**                         $15,000        2002        114        54        3        $1,996,953        $17,517.13        1.17

Salt Lake**                                 $7,500        1993        133        84        3        $2,299,900        $17,292.48        2.31

Officer**                                $17,500        2003        157        79        2        $2,705,462        $17,232.24        0.98

Van Nistelrooy**                         $15,000        2003        151        67        5        $2,561,874        $16,966.05        1.13

Doneraile Court**                   $7,500        2000        158        82        4        $2,597,929        $16,442.59        2.19

Alphabet Soup**                        $7,500        1998        183        91        2        $2,862,986        $15,644.73        2.09

Thunder Gulch**                        $15,000        1996        183        73        10        $2,850,852        $15,578.43        1.04

Bertrando**                        $10,000        1994        132        57        3        $2,053,778        $15,558.92        1.56

Golden Missile**                        $7,500        2001        170        87        3        $2,639,354        $15,525.61        2.07

Stormin Fever**                    $7,500        2000        157        69        4        $2,435,563        $15,513.14        2.07

Holy Bull**                           $10,000        1995        180        79        5        $2,770,211        $15,390.06        1.54

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Why in the world would you take Fu Peg over CZ?
I think Fupeg is gonna be a decent broodmare Sire...but other than that what has he accomplished in the shed?

Indian Charlie for 70k is O.k.
But If you can afford 70k...you might as well go to Distorted Humor for 100k.

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Advertised stallion fees are a complete joke. Who cares what the advertise at?

How many Fu Peg's are there between the USA/Euro and Australia 12 mil? Remember the first crop I think they averaged 500k at Keeneland..lol

Is the advertised stud fee always paid on live foal... or are there ever any concessions or negotiations?

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Originally Posted by pba1817

Is the advertised stud fee always paid on live foal... or are there ever any concessions or negotiations?

Tons, there is all sorts of agreements that can be made.

Almost all breeding agreements are stand and nurse now also

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Forestry blows. He should stand for free with the amount of money he's burned up.

Fupeg? Seriously? City Zip has 6 stakes winners this year with 14 stakes wins, Fupeg has 4 with 5 wins. His one 2009 graded win was the Derby Mexicano (no joke.) City Zip is ahead of him in every category.

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Originally Posted by Scav

Maybe true, but based on what expectations? I sure as heck wasn't expecting him to toss a bunch of 6f sprinters. I think when they start getting to two turns you will see different numbers

'Zapper was a freak under a mile when he began his career so a bit of speed wouldn't have been a surprise. When you consider his Vosburgh and his Tom Fool, you don't think of him siring colts that win at 8.5f on turf.

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Originally Posted by Linny

Being by Awesome Again out of a Relaunch mare does not really scream Turf Sire.

However, City Zip is by Carson City out of the same Relaunch mare and he throws plenty of turf and Poly runners.:confused:

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Originally Posted by Linny

Tons of significant races at 7f on the turf Ann? He stood for 300 balloons winning at 6.5 on the lawn doesnt seem a goal of many of those 500k plus yearling AY?