US Best Health Care in the World because of Siamese Twins?

[alysheba4]

lets say you or a loved one needed brain surgery, heart surgery.....or any major surgery fort that matter..........would you go outside the u.s?

[Riot]

[quote=alysheba4]lets say you or a loved one needed brain surgery, heart surgery.....or any major surgery fort that matter..........would you go outside the u.s?[/QUOTE

That's not on any scale of how one rates the healthcare systems of the world, is it?

Success rates? Post-sx infections rates? What types and numbers of surgical procedures are available? What part of "surgery" are you talking about?

Surgery is such a small part of any healthcare system. Surgical skill relates to the individual facility protocol and the doctor's hands, not what anybody else in the country is doing.

You can have an outstanding, state-of-the-art surgical facility in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of nothing. Our military does that all the time

There are many procedures and treatments, surgical and non-surgical, that are not approved within the US, but are in other countries, and have been for some time.

There are many, MANY older Americans who cannot afford healthcare in this, their own country. They must purchase medications illegally from other countries. It's also very common for Americans to have to go to other countries for certain surgical procedures that they cannot afford here, that are less expensive elsewhere.

Sorry - on any of the different object measures of "healthcare quality", America unfortunately isn't first. Nor often even in the top 10.

[Honu]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

lets say you or a loved one needed brain surgery, heart surgery.....or any major surgery fort that matter..........would you go outside the u.s?[/QUOTE

That's not on any scale of how one rates the healthcare systems of the world, is it?

Success rates? Post-sx infections rates? What types and numbers of surgical procedures are available? What part of "surgery" are you talking about?

Surgery is such a small part of any healthcare system. Surgical skill relates to the individual facility protocol and the doctor's hands, not what anybody else in the country is doing.

You can have an outstanding, state-of-the-art surgical facility in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of nothing. Our military does that all the time

There are many procedures and treatments, surgical and non-surgical, that are not approved within the US, but are in other countries, and have been for some time.

There are many, MANY older Americans who cannot afford healthcare in this, their own country. They must purchase medications illegally from other countries. It's also very common for Americans to have to go to other countries for certain surgical procedures that they cannot afford here, that are less expensive elsewhere.

Sorry - on any of the different object measures of "healthcare quality", America unfortunately isn't first. Nor often even in the top 10.

Oh jeez , for crying out loud , there are millions of Americans eligible to be on Medicare and Medicade who dont sign up . I went to my doctors office( and now I have one thru my partners job , for the last say 20 years none and I have no complaints, my choice to work in an indusrty that doesnt offer insurance) they had huge signs up stating you may be eligible for Medicade and Medicare sign up now.
You know what is very common? People coming to our country and choosing to pay out of their own pockets rather than wait in line for a procedure that is not a right in their own country. Yes other places have government run health care but at what cost ......just because the government in Canada give's citizens health care it still doesnt give them the right to say , heart surgery or a bypass or gall bladder surgery . You have no preference in line , you may be #100 on the sheet but when 99 goes thru that doesnt mean your next.

I have lived 20 years of my 39 years with no health insurance , I have had alot of injuries and the bouts of the flu and colds and yet without a doctor I have managed to survive. I dont expect the government to provide me with health insurance I also dont expect them to provide me with a job or make my house payment. Maybe that is what you want and that is fine , but dont force me to sign up and pay for something I dont want or need. No one is forced to drive a car therefore no one is forced to have car insurance so dont force me to sign up for something I dont want or need. Dont fine my employer because he doesnt provide insurance , people can go work somewhere else , dont fine indiviuals if they choose not to have insurance . If some people want the government to provide them with insurance then fine , contributute what you are asked to.
Forcing people to do something against their will is un-American and our founding fathers came here for just that reason.

[Rileyoriley]

[quote=Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh jeez , for crying out loud , there are millions of Americans eligible to be on Medicare and Medicade who dont sign up . I went to my doctors office( and now I have one thru my partners job , for the last say 20 years none and I have no complaints, my choice to work in an indusrty that doesnt offer insurance) they had huge signs up stating you may be eligible for Medicade and Medicare sign up now.
You know what is very common? People coming to our country and choosing to pay out of their own pockets rather than wait in line for a procedure that is not a right in their own country. Yes other places have government run health care but at what cost ......just because the government in Canada give's citizens health care it still doesnt give them the right to say , heart surgery or a bypass or gall bladder surgery . You have no preference in line , you may be #100 on the sheet but when 99 goes thru that doesnt mean your next.

I have lived 20 years of my 39 years with no health insurance , I have had alot of injuries and the bouts of the flu and colds and yet without a doctor I have managed to survive. I dont expect the government to provide me with health insurance I also dont expect them to provide me with a job or make my house payment. Maybe that is what you want and that is fine , but dont force me to sign up and pay for something I dont want or need. No one is forced to drive a car therefore no one is forced to have car insurance so dont force me to sign up for something I dont want or need. Dont fine my employer because he doesnt provide insurance , people can go work somewhere else , dont fine indiviuals if they choose not to have insurance . If some people want the government to provide them with insurance then fine , contributute what you are asked to.
Forcing people to do something against their will is un-American and our founding fathers came here for just that reason.

Same here!!! Except I'm 10 years older than you.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

lets say you or a loved one needed brain surgery, heart surgery.....or any major surgery fort that matter..........would you go outside the u.s?

Sure..if it made fiscal or medical sense..in a sec. There are great doctors and hospitals all over the World