11/11 ATR: The Great HOTY Debate

parsixfarms · #1 11-12-2009, 11:15 AM

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It's rather remarkable how a singular performance can somehow promote complete abandonment of rationality. Zenyatta's performance was terrific... But take it for what it was, where it was and who it came against. How it magically elevates her 'year' to equal or beyond that of Rachel Alexandra's defies logic or cognition.

With all due respect, I think it is statements like this that prompt the emotion that you have seen in the debate on this board. People don't like being told that they are "irrational" or without cognitive ability just because they have a different opinion.

Agree to disagree. Fine. Don't tell someone that they are stupid.

slotdirt · #2 11-12-2009, 11:22 AM

I'm just really hoping Rachel Alexandra does turn into Ashado next year. I can recall watching Ashado get run down in the slop by Silmaril on the undercard of Funny Cide's unfortunate effort in the 2005 Pimlico Special. I can recall to this day a lady disconcerted with Ashado's performance coming down the stretch yelling "Come on, don't get beat by this Maryland-bred nag!"

freddymo · #3 11-12-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

With all due respect, I think it is statements like this that prompt the emotion that you have seen in the debate on this board. People don't like being told that they are "irrational" or without cognitive ability just because they have a different opinion.

Agree to disagree. Fine. Don't tell someone that they are stupid.

Just because someone doesn't have strong cognitive abilty doesnt mean they are stupid nor would Byk call anyone stupid. It isn't irrational to call Zenyatta HoY it's just iirresponsible to the award.

It was a wonderful moment in racing when a classy terrific mare beat an ok field of colts and horses. She wasn't campaigned for HoY she was pointed to win the Classsic. Congrats she was awesome and thrilled all

Kasept · #4 11-12-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

With all due respect, I think it is statements like this that prompt the emotion that you have seen in the debate on this board. People don't like being told that they are "irrational" or without cognitive ability just because they have a different opinion.

Agree to disagree. Fine. Don't tell someone that they are stupid.

Wow. "That statement" that I made was about as coldly unemotional as it could be. Not sure what alternate universe lexicon or pejorative equates what I wrote with calling someone stupid..

The Indomitable DrugS · #5 11-12-2009, 01:01 PM

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pejorative

I was thinking the same thing.

Kasept · #6 11-12-2009, 01:03 PM

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I was thinking the same thing.

I laughed..

parsixfarms · #7 11-12-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Wow. "That statement" that I made was about as coldly unemotional as it could be. Not sure what alternate universe lexicon or pejorative equates what I wrote with calling someone stupid..

If we want to split hairs on definitions, fine. I don't think people like to be told that they lack the ability to reason.

NTamm1215 · #8 11-12-2009, 01:24 PM

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If we want to split hairs on definitions, fine. I don't think people like to be told that they lack the ability to reason.

So it's OK to disagree and for people from each side to posit their own opinions but they have to be sure not to be bold or overly forthright in their opinion?

NT

parsixfarms · #9 11-12-2009, 01:36 PM

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So it's OK to disagree and for people from each side to posit their own opinions but they have to be sure not to be bold or overly forthright in their opinion?

NT

As evidenced by the "vote" on this board and many other racing sites, many think this is a close call. There's a difference between having a strong opinion and telling someone else that they reached a different conclusion because they lack the ability to think rationally.

joeydb · #10 11-12-2009, 01:40 PM

Are you calling into the show tonight?

Antitrust32 · #11 11-12-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

As evidenced by the "vote" on this board and many other racing sites, many think this is a close call. There's a difference between having a strong opinion and telling someone else that they reached a different conclusion because they lack the ability to think rationally.

where is that picture Coach posts of the crying baby?

docicu3 · #12 11-12-2009, 02:05 PM

Why is it that so many people fail to take into account that recent events carry a stronger emotional significance than events or races of memories past. At times this is decades but occasionally it's weeks or months. To attach exaggerated significance to the classic compared to other Grade 1's is to by into the nonsense that the BC has the only races of significance during the year.

randallscott35 · #13 11-12-2009, 02:12 PM

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As evidenced by the "vote" on this board and many other racing sites, many think this is a close call. There's a difference between having a strong opinion and telling someone else that they reached a different conclusion because they lack the ability to think rationally.

The same people who voted for Bush in '04 after everyone knew he was a moron.

10 pnt move up · #14 11-12-2009, 02:18 PM

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The same people who voted for Bush in '04 after everyone knew he was a moron.

will those same people make the mistake and vote for Obama in 12'...just saying

Danzig · #15 11-12-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

As evidenced by the "vote" on this board and many other racing sites, many think this is a close call. There's a difference between having a strong opinion and telling someone else that they reached a different conclusion because they lack the ability to think rationally.

or it could be that many watch four races a year, and are aware that rachel won one of them, and zenyatta another.

freddymo · #16 11-12-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

If we want to split hairs on definitions, fine. I don't think people like to be told that they lack the ability to reason.

If the shoe fits....

#17 11-12-2009, 05:42 PM

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Wow. "That statement" that I made was about as coldly unemotional as it could be. Not sure what alternate universe lexicon or pejorative equates what I wrote with calling someone stupid..

But they are and this whole debate is.

joeydb · #18 11-12-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

With all due respect, I think it is statements like this that prompt the emotion that you have seen in the debate on this board. People don't like being told that they are "irrational" or without cognitive ability just because they have a different opinion.

Agree to disagree. Fine. Don't tell someone that they are stupid.

WTF?? Are we all becoming a bunch of hypersensitive wusses? This is starting to sound like a soap opera.

CSC · #19 11-12-2009, 01:20 PM

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WTF?? Are we all becoming a bunch of hypersensitive wusses? This is starting to sound like a soap opera.

Like this is going to help...

If anything it just shows how passionate these 2 horses evoke. Nothing wrong about that, we could go back to Curlin of last yrs HOY convo..zzz

joeydb · #20 11-12-2009, 01:25 PM

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Well this is going to help...

If anything it just shows how passionate these 2 horses evoke. Nothing wrong about that, we could go back to Curlin of last yrs HOY convo..zzz

Agree with understanding the passion. Would a similar debate over "Ali vs Frasier" devolve into all the sensitivity? I also agree that we are fortunate to see both of these fillies run this year -- their performances, along with the Mine That Bird run in the Derby made for a stellar highlight reel.