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11-08-2009, 10:21 AM
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Im sure all the people who can work that are unemployed and illegals are kissing O'Dumbass and the Bitch of the House Pelosi's ass. I dont know about you but every chance I get im voting Republican when it comes to Senate and Representatives being up for election in the future. Hopefully the governor races in Virginia and New Jersey are a sign of what is going to happen down the road for the worthless and clueless Democratic party. Alot of people are saying that no one could do a worse job than Bush did when he was in office. I think O'Dumbass is making people wish they voted for McCain instead. O'Dumbass didnt get my vote in 08 and sure the hell isnt in 12. If this ridiculous health insurance bill makes it all the way through its a shame that unemployed people who are milking the system and illegals are going to get health insurance. But I guess this is the O'Dumbass way of life. Wonder what O'Dumbass is going to do next? Maybe invite Bin Laden and the rest of his posse over to the White House for Thanksgiving dinner and of course drink some beer with O'Dumbass.
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11-08-2009, 04:22 PM
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about 50% of this board voted for that piece of crap in the white house and all his cronies in congress just because "we needed change". you got change alright.
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11-08-2009, 04:37 PM
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11-08-2009, 06:15 PM
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view to see this bill is so flawed, that it should be buried at sea. Just the simple math doesn't work. We all know that everybody has a spin on it, but when the govts' own CBO gives the literal acct'ing of the merit of the bill, and the president disses it, it stinks! Notice how I didn't pile on..... I would welcome a serious change to healthcare and tort reform and people not trying to screw the system, but it's taken 50 yrs to get it this way...don't crush the system by creating a monster that will never be balanced or controlled.
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11-08-2009, 06:45 PM
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And seriously, neo-con, liberal, or not, when Michelle Bachmann is our "source," there's a very, very serious problem brewing.
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11-08-2009, 06:56 PM
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does the office entrusted with the analysis NOT be the trusted answer?
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11-08-2009, 07:12 PM
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http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/20...e-health-bill/ Igor Volsky's article lists 10 things the GOP asked for, and got, in the House Healthcare bill.
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11-08-2009, 06:10 PM
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11-08-2009, 11:29 PM
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Do you know what most illegal aliens do right now if they get sick? They go to the emergency room and get free treatment. Emergency rooms can't turn anyone down. If they're going to get free treatment, they should at least have to pay something into the system.
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11-09-2009, 07:34 AM
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it might cost some people nothing, but that care is far from free. it's why the rest of us pay $400-500 for an e.r. visit. it's also why i do my best not to go to the e.r. when tony broke his heel we went to our doctor since we knew he had an x-ray machine, and that the hospital here couldn't do a thing for him if it was broken. no ortho on staff, they'd have sent us elsewhere. when my oldest broke his arm, they said yep, it's broken-where do you want to go? and then they charged more for their e.r. then the hospital did that actually treated him! it's one hell of a system. and yeah, obama says no coverage for illegals, but as you say, they'd just go to the e.r. you may as well allow them copays for the doctors, it would be cheaper that way.
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11-09-2009, 10:30 AM
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I will admit you raise a good point. Getting something is better than getting nothing. Do you really think an illegal alien deserves to have same benefits as an American citizen?
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11-09-2009, 10:49 AM
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they don't have the same benefits. but how can you turn away an emergency, regardless of who they are? they're still a human being-you can't just let them lay outside the door, can you?
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11-09-2009, 11:10 AM
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11-09-2009, 11:20 AM
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At least this would be great news to fix a huge source of inequality that I've spoken about here on several occasions.
http://www.towleroad.com/2009/11/hea...-for-gays.html
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11-09-2009, 11:51 AM
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11-09-2009, 11:55 AM
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So we will continue to pay for illegal aliens, and everyone else who will get "free" healthcare, at the expense of others since we will increase demand and not increase supply of medical services. That is the mechanism by which the long Soviet-style lines for toilet paper and potatoes used to occur in the 1980s. It will be no different except that some of those in line will die before getting seen by a doctor. It's also worth noting that if the bill decreases payments to physicians in an attempt to supress expenses, it will be less desirable to actually become a physician. This means that over time there will be less doctors, so over the long term you will have increasing demand due to illegal "immigration" and decreased supply due to less medical school graduates. That must translate to higher prices and an increasing mortality among those who need healthcare. Note that the use of the word "alien" is purposeful, and the term "illegal immigrant" is nonsensical, since logic demands that you would need to have permission from a host country to emigrate there. If you do not have permission, you are trespassing as an illegal alien, breaking the law. Only here in America could you as a lawbreaker get medical care and social services in "sanctuary cities" whose mayors and councilmen are themselves breaking the law by circumventing Federal statues in refusing to enforce them or aid the agencies charged with that responsibility.
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11-09-2009, 12:59 PM
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11-09-2009, 06:37 PM
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i know that many think illegals get more than they pay for...but i also have read that social security remains afloat mainly because those same illegals are paying into soc. sec. with fake #'s, and will never get that money back. how can they? and of course whatever an employee pays in, the employer must send in the matching 7.5%. now obviously not all illegal aliens are paying into s.s., but not all of them are arriving at the e.r. either.
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11-09-2009, 06:52 PM
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The anti-abortion amendment tacked on by Bart Stupak has to be removed. It's horrible.
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