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Old 11-06-2009, 02:42 AM
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I honestly don't see how anything they do could change your opinion of how Zenyatta will run in the Classic.
I think they are both a great measuring stick of Zenyatta's form .. Life Is Sweet has been racing just behind Zen earlier and not quite finishing with her ... Leathal Heat has been racing a few lengths in front of Zen earlier ... and not quite finishing good enough.

If LIS and LH run a dominant 1-2 in that order .. I think it makes Zenyatta a little harder to strongly oppose.

However .. if LIS and LH both are soundly beaten and off the board ... I think it really takes some steam away from the rabid argument that Zenyatta's recent form looks markedly worse than it actually is.

I've had a lot of success over the years adjusting my opinion in situations like this. If you don't buy into it... that's fine with me. There's a lot of things I buy into even more kooky than something like that.
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:41 AM
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zenyatta will lose.....
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Old 11-06-2009, 07:57 AM
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IF Z does win, what is the the opinion of the forum? Smith said she only ran about 3 strides her last race and granted it was the same old same old she was beating but it looked pretty impressive. Typically, synthetic does not lead to large margin wins and with her style it does not seem she would ever win by a large margin. Also, it seems pretty obvious she does not like DMR so can't you discount that performance. She is 13 - 13 and from the talk it sounds like the opinion is she she has no shot. Has any filly ever won the Classic? Would this be a bigger accomplishment than RA ast SAR? Not saying she will win but she does have a good shot on this surface....and for everyone who has complained about Sheriiffs and the campaign - at least she is not sitting in barn on THE day she is supposed to be running.
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:14 AM
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Beyer's column in the Washington Post today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110502549.html
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:35 AM
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i tend to ignore most comments, if not all, from the rider. smith also said giacomo flipped his palate in either the preakness or the belmont. he felt he needed an excuse for why the horse didn't run well. it was also untrue that anything had gone wrong with the horse.

zenyatta would be the first female to win the classic should she somehow manage to cross the line first. it's my opinion that her running style will be more of a hindrance tomorrow than in her past races, and that the field she will be joining is far, far superior to anything she has raced to this point. should she win, she would be deserving of every bit of praise....but i'll be amazed if she pulls it off. i've enjoyed watching her run, but that doesn't mean i think she's some sort of super horse. and the 13 for 13 was certainly aided by her campaign and her competition. i have more respect for a horse such as summer bird, who travelled all over, and took on all comers-even with a loss or two, than i do for a horse that's been treated as a hot house flower with huge spacing between races. i give them credit for taking her into a new realm, i didn't think it would happen.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:01 AM
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I will play against Zenyatta for these reasons:

She is an underlay at 5/2
She has never run a race @ 1 1/4 mile
It's a big field and her favorite go way wide and pick them off at the end will be much more difficult.
There is not a ton of pace in the race, hurting a deep closers chances.

That being said, I don't have a great opinion on who will win, I just think there are too many things going against Zenyatta.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:05 AM
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I will play against Zenyatta for these reasons:

She is an underlay at 5/2
She has never run a race @ 1 1/4 mile
It's a big field and her favorite go way wide and pick them off at the end will be much more difficult.
There is not a ton of pace in the race, hurting a deep closers chances.

That being said, I don't have a great opinion on who will win, I just think there are too many things going against Zenyatta.

agree on all counts.
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:23 PM
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Beyer's column in the Washington Post today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...110502549.html
This is the same guy who declared on a pre-race handicapping show that there was no way in hell that Bayakoa could run fast on the lead (at old Gulfstream) and still beat the Eastern closers like Gorgeous. FYI
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Old 11-06-2009, 08:26 PM
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This is the same guy who declared on a pre-race handicapping show that there was no way in hell that Bayakoa could run fast on the lead (at old Gulfstream) and still beat the Eastern closers like Gorgeous. FYI
Gorgeous was a CA horse. FYI.
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Old 11-06-2009, 09:15 PM
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This is the same guy who declared on a pre-race handicapping show that there was no way in hell that Bayakoa could run fast on the lead (at old Gulfstream) and still beat the Eastern closers like Gorgeous. FYI
If you have to go back 20 years to illustrate that the guy could be wrong tomorrow, it's not saying much!

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Old 11-06-2009, 09:28 PM
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Zenyatta is now likely to be more horribly overbet than even before. So I learned that you must try to beat her or sit out the race. I actually sat out the Ladies Classic today, which preserved my gigantic $3 profit (thanks, She Be Wild). (Actually I had a casino Twin Q alive into the 9th race--it started with the 5th--but could only get one of my horses in the final half).

Damn BC also distracted me from betting the Ack Ack at CD--my 10-1 choice won, naturally.
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Old 11-06-2009, 10:42 PM
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This is the same guy who declared on a pre-race handicapping show that there was no way in hell that Bayakoa could run fast on the lead (at old Gulfstream) and still beat the Eastern closers like Gorgeous. FYI
How about giving an opinion before the race instead of criticizing others for something that happened years ago.
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Old 11-07-2009, 11:36 AM
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This is the same guy who declared on a pre-race handicapping show that there was no way in hell that Bayakoa could run fast on the lead (at old Gulfstream) and still beat the Eastern closers like Gorgeous. FYI
So Andy Beyer has no creditability because of his opinion of a race 20 years ago?

And what qualifies Gorgeous as an Eastern filly?
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