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CSC · #1 10-30-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

She wasn't a step down from Siphon.

Really it depends if you are looking at what and where she was racing on, she was at her best at Belmont and she was very proficient on off tracks, no surprise being she was by slop sire Private Account. For argugent's sake, do you think she would have been close to Siphon and Cigar had she run in the Pacific Classic?

King Glorious · #2 10-30-2009, 01:13 PM

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Really it depends if you are looking at what and where she was racing on, she was at her best at Belmont and she was very proficient on off tracks, no surprise being she was by slop sire Private Account. For argugent's sake, do you think she would have been close to Siphon and Cigar had she run in the Pacific Classic?

It might have come out the same way it did. Her and Siphon may have compromised each other. But I do think she was better than both of them though, by a lot over Siphon and by a little over Cigar.

CSC · #3 10-30-2009, 01:36 PM

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It might have come out the same way it did. Her and Siphon may have compromised each other. But I do think she was better than both of them though, by a lot over Siphon and by a little over Cigar.

She had a great record against fillies, and we were left with an indelible memory in her last race. Until a filly tries open company, she can't even be put in the same league of Cigar, if you are saying she was better than him you are saying quite alot, but do remember what happened to Azeri when she tried the colts.

Antitrust32 · #4 10-30-2009, 01:55 PM

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She had a great record against fillies, and we were left with an indelible memory in her last race. Until a filly tries open company, she can't even be put in the same league of Cigar, if you are saying she was better than him you are saying quite alot, but do remember what happened to Azeri when she tried the colts.

you are sexist towards fillies! now i know!!!

CSC · #5 10-30-2009, 02:09 PM

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you are sexist towards fillies! now i know!!!

I know you are joking, but I actually have paid quite a few compliments here with many fillies.

(Is this the proper emoticon?)

Antitrust32 · #6 10-30-2009, 02:27 PM

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I know you are joking, but I actually have paid quite a few compliments here with many fillies.

(Is this the proper emoticon?)

King Glorious · #7 10-30-2009, 02:12 PM

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She had a great record against fillies, and we were left with an indelible memory in her last race. Until a filly tries open company, she can't even be put in the same league of Cigar, if you are saying she was better than him you are saying quite alot, but do remember what happened to Azeri when she tried the colts.

I don't agree that a filly has to beat open company. Goodbye Halo didn't face the boys in 1988 but we saw her beat Winning Colors in the Las Virgenes and lost to her by a narrow margin in the BC so we know she was in the same league as any of the boys were that year.

Azeri didn't try the boys when she was at her best. You say remember what happened to Azeri. Why not say remember what happened to Winning Colors, Rags to Riches, Rachel Alexandra, Goldikova, Zarkava, Lady's Secret, Miesque, Ridgewood Pearl, Safely Kept.........I could go on and on and on?

Antitrust32 · #8 10-30-2009, 02:30 PM

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I don't agree that a filly has to beat open company. Goodbye Halo didn't face the boys in 1988 but we saw her beat Winning Colors in the Las Virgenes and lost to her by a narrow margin in the BC so we know she was in the same league as any of the boys were that year.

Azeri didn't try the boys when she was at her best. You say remember what happened to Azeri. Why not say remember what happened to Winning Colors, Rags to Riches, Rachel Alexandra, Goldikova, Zarkava, Lady's Secret, Miesque, Ridgewood Pearl, Safely Kept.........I could go on and on and on?

Ouigi Board.. makyvi Diva (sp?).. Pride.. that one really good mare Sunshine something from some Asian country...

The best mares beat the colts (well if given the opportunity of course)

King Glorious · #9 10-30-2009, 02:42 PM

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Ouigi Board.. makyvi Diva (sp?).. Pride.. that one really good mare Sunshine something from some Asian country...

The best mares beat the colts (well if given the opportunity of course)

Last year, Zarkava beat Goldikova. The two best horses in Europe were both fillies (3yo fillies at that) so why should they have to beat males that aren't as good as they are to prove how good they are? Same with Rachel and Zenyatta this year. Either would prove more by beating the other one that they could prove by beating males.

RolloTomasi · #10 10-30-2009, 01:52 PM

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It might have come out the same way it did. Her and Siphon may have compromised each other. But I do think she was better than both of them though, by a lot over Siphon and by a little over Cigar.

Inside Information certainly was consistent, but I don't recall her races being particularly fast or impressive outside of the lopsided BC.

And though she outlasted them all, at 3 she was no better than 3rd or 4th amongst Heavenly Prize, Lakeway, and Sardula. Really, some their efforts as 2 and 3yos outweigh anything she ultimately did as a 4yo.

Meanwhile, Siphon ran some wickedly fast races at a variety of distances (6-10f) from '95-'97.