Let's go Yankees

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont bet my team or mush my team. I dont make predictions but I will stick up for my team.


So nothing.. how bout that?

cc is better than lee - he wasn't last night but overall he is a little better

burnett is better than pedro by a larger margin than the above

pettite is better than hamels by a larger margin than both of the above

i personally don't think pedro can pitch in the cold anymore , it will be in the 50's come game time , if he goes the full 5 against this lineup i will be shocked

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

cc is better than lee - he wasn't last night but overall he is a little better

burnett is better than pedro by a larger margin than the above

pettite is better than hamels by a larger margin than both of the above

i personally don't think pedro can pitch in the cold anymore , it will be in the 50's come game time , if he goes the full 5 against this lineup i will be shocked

i personally dont think you have any idea what you are talking about... but keep on keeping on!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i personally dont think you have any idea what you are talking about... but keep on keeping on!

tell me where i am wrong

burnett is not better than pedro

pettite is not better than hamels

why would pedro all of a sudden become a good pitcher in cold weather when he hasn't pitched well in the last 5 yrs in cold weather.....maybe burnett blows up to and the philly bullpen wins the game , but, where is your faith in pedro to go more than 5 innings , he went 7 against the dodgers , do you not think he can do it tonight???

i'll take the matchups the next 2 games everyday of the week ..... the yankees will be favored in both of the next games becuase they have the better starting pitcher

[MaTH716]

Gales, Would you consider Pedro a big game pitcher?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Gales, Would you consider Pedro a big game pitcher?

in his prime yes

not anymore though

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

in his prime yes

not anymore though

gales.. tell me.. have you even SEEN the man pitch this year?!!?!?!??! you sound like Riot in a politics thread right now!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

gales.. tell me.. have you even SEEN the man pitch this year?!!?!?!??! you sound like Riot in a politics thread right now!

yes i have - all against NL teams, not 1 start did he have to face a full 9 man lineup

how many times has he pitched when the game time temp was in the 50's ?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

in his prime yes

not anymore though

You are aware that Charlie Manuel isn't looking or even needing a Lee like performance from Pedro tonight. I think Pedro's backclass is significant in this spot. The guys is a huge competitor that has pitched great in big spots before. He has played much of is career in the northeast so he's seen his share of cold weather games. Also I'm sure that Pedro would probably like to pitch another couple of seasons and tonight will be another open audition to the rest of the world (although he's probably done enough to get a contract out of someone next season).
You are underestimating a guy that has done plent of damage to the Yankees in the past.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

You are aware that Charlie Manuel isn't looking or even needing a Lee like performance from Pedro tonight. I think Pedro's backclass is significant in this spot. The guys is a huge competitor that has pitched great in big spots before. He has played much of is career in the northeast so he's seen his share of cold weather games. Also I'm sure that Pedro would probably like to pitch another couple of seasons and tonight will be another open audition to the rest of the world (although he's probably done enough to get a contract out of someone next season).
You are underestimating a guy that has done plent of damage to the Yankees in the past.

I really hope Pedro is in Red and White next year. We have enough starters to not have to beat the crap out of him with the amount of innings pitched.

But enough about next year. I'm ready for tonite!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

You are aware that Charlie Manuel isn't looking or even needing a Lee like performance from Pedro tonight. I think Pedro's backclass is significant in this spot. The guys is a huge competitor that has pitched great in big spots before. He has played much of is career in the northeast so he's seen his share of cold weather games. Also I'm sure that Pedro would probably like to pitch another couple of seasons and tonight will be another open audition to the rest of the world (although he's probably done enough to get a contract out of someone next season).
You are underestimating a guy that has done plent of damage to the Yankees in the past.

i know that , he knows he will need the pen tonight, i just think he is going to need it a lot earlier than everybody thinks

i asked anti to bet me on if she thinks he will make it a full 5 innings tongiht
she didn't want to take it ....where is her confidence , her confidence is on her team to bail him out and win the game by getting into the yankee pen

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

You are aware that Charlie Manuel isn't looking or even needing a Lee like performance from Pedro tonight. I think Pedro's backclass is significant in this spot. The guys is a huge competitor that has pitched great in big spots before. He has played much of is career in the northeast so he's seen his share of cold weather games. Also I'm sure that Pedro would probably like to pitch another couple of seasons and tonight will be another open audition to the rest of the world (although he's probably done enough to get a contract out of someone next season).
You are underestimating a guy that has done plent of damage to the Yankees in the past.

i know that , he knows he will need the pen tonight, i just think he is going to need it a lot earlier than everybody thinks

i asked anti to bet me on if she thinks he will make it a full 5 innings tongiht
she didn't want to take it ....where is her confidence , her confidence is on her team to bail him out and win the game by getting into the yankee pen

[Gander]

Its baseball, not tennis. Pitching matchups mean very little, especially in the post season. It does not matter who is better than who by the smallest of margins. As important as pitching is, there is more to winning baseball games.

And last night it wasnt Cliff Lee vs CC Sabbathia. What a joke, the 2 didnt face each other. It was played in an American League Stadium and the pitchers dont even bat. Even if it was played in Philadelphia and bothe pitchers batted 3-4 times, big deal. Its the other 25 batters that these guys are facing, not each other.

I hate the cliche of pitching matchups. Its really dumb when you think about it. The way people talked about CC vs Cliff Lee, you would think they were talking about 2 guys facing off in the finals of Wimbledon with nobody else factoring into the outcome.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Gander

Its baseball, not tennis. Pitching matchups mean very little, especially in the post season. It does not matter who is better than who by the smallest of margins. As important as pitching is, there is more to winning baseball games.

And last night it wasnt Cliff Lee vs CC Sabbathia. What a joke, the 2 didnt face each other. It was played in an American League Stadium and the pitchers dont even bat. Even if it was played in Philadelphia and bothe pitchers batted 3-4 times, big deal. Its the other 25 batters that these guys are facing, not each other.

I hate the cliche of pitching matchups. Its really dumb when you think about it. The way people talked about CC vs Cliff Lee, you would think they were talking about 2 guys facing off in the finals of Wimbledon with nobody else factoring into the outcome.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

tell me where i am wrong

burnett is not better than pedro

pettite is not better than hamels

why would pedro all of a sudden become a good pitcher in cold weather when he hasn't pitched well in the last 5 yrs in cold weather.....maybe burnett blows up to and the philly bullpen wins the game , but, where is your faith in pedro to go more than 5 innings , he went 7 against the dodgers , do you not think he can do it tonight???

i'll take the matchups the next 2 games everyday of the week ..... the yankees will be favored in both of the next games becuase they have the better starting pitcher

Here's the big difference between you and I gales. You are so concerned about two guys, AJ Burnett and Pedro Martinez. When I know we have 9 guys (well 10 when we are playing AL style) that can do anything at any time. Pedro is only one part of the equation gales. This is a team game. Phillies play the best team game of anyone of any sport I can ever think of.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Here's the big difference between you and I gales. You are so concerned about two guys, AJ Burnett and Pedro Martinez. When I know we have 9 guys (well 10 when we are playing AL style) that can do anything at any time. Pedro is only one part of the equation gales. This is a team game. Phillies play the best team game of anyone of any sport I can ever think of.

pitching wins in the playoffs , and in the regular season .... it's how odds are computed in vegas ..... do you think if Gaudin was starting tonight instead of Pedro the yanks would be -170 ???

that being said anything can happen in 1 game , but mlb odds are set based on starting pitching

lee offered value last night , i don't see pedro offering it, if you bet the phillies tonight you need your bullpen to win the game in my opinion (which could happen)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by gales0678

pitching wins in the playoffs , and in the regular season .... it's how odds are computed in vegas ..... do you think if Gaudin was starting tonight instead of Pedro the yanks would be -170 ???

that being said anything can happen in 1 game , but mlb odds are set based on starting pitching

lee offered value last night , i don't see pedro offering it, if you bet the phillies tonight you need your bullpen to win the game in my opinion (which could happen)

I dont give a flying fucl< about Vegas odd's gales. That's all you. Dumbasses who get wet dreams over the Yankee's drive Vegas odds.

How'd those odd's work out for ya last night?

This is a damn baseball game and any thing can happen. I happen to be very happy being a Phillies fan. I cant wait to watch great games and find out what my team is made of. You and other Yankee fans like to celebrate before you even win anything.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

cc is better than lee - he wasn't last night but overall he is a little better

burnett is better than pedro by a larger margin than the above

pettite is better than hamels by a larger margin than both of the above

i personally don't think pedro can pitch in the cold anymore , it will be in the 50's come game time , if he goes the full 5 against this lineup i will be shocked

At some point you will figure out that pitchers face opposing teams lineups, not other pitchers.

Lee handled the yankees better than CC did the Phils. Who is better, was better, will be better doesnt matter.