2009 Breeders' Cup

SniperSB23 · #1 10-28-2009, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

As a third surface I would be fine with them. As a dirt replacement I have MAJOR problems with them, especially with BC dirt races being contested on them.

Gander · #2 10-28-2009, 04:31 PM

The list of really nice horses who arent running in the BC because of its track surface speaks volumes.

Sightseek · #3 10-28-2009, 04:33 PM

I'm not thrilled with the BC being run on synthetic, but it's still the BC, so I can't wait for it!

10 pnt move up · #4 10-28-2009, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gander

The list of really nice horses who arent running in the BC because of its track surface speaks volumes.

Who? RA, Macho Again (though really nice, cmon).

SniperSB23 · #5 10-28-2009, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Who? RA, Macho Again (though really nice, cmon).

Indian Blessing, Vineyard Haven, Fabulous Strike...

It isn't just the horses not going, it is also the number that will be compromised by running on synthetics instead of on real dirt.

Antitrust32 · #6 10-28-2009, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Indian Blessing, Vineyard Haven, Fabulous Strike...

It isn't just the horses not going, it is also the number that will be compromised by running on synthetics instead of on real dirt.

Hot Dixie Chick.. I'm sure we could find 10 more.

10 pnt move up · #7 10-28-2009, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Indian Blessing, Vineyard Haven, Fabulous Strike...

It isn't just the horses not going, it is also the number that will be compromised by running on synthetics instead of on real dirt.

Indian Blessing is done

VH ran last week, they have Gayego in the same race

Fab Strike, well yea he is nice.

I dont know if I buy compromised.

SniperSB23 · #8 10-28-2009, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Indian Blessing is done

VH ran last week, they have Gayego in the same race

Fab Strike, well yea he is nice.

I dont know if I buy compromised.

They have multiple horses in every race, if they thought Vineyard Haven could run on the junk he'd be there in the Sprint or the "Dirt" Mile.

As to Indian Blessing:

“The last two works here have just been very average for her. She’s a great work horse, and my rider said she is just totally different on synthetics,” Baffert said. "She’s not the same filly and she travels totally different on it. She’s always fought it. Coming into Breeders’ Cup, she’s running against great competition, and I just don’t feel comfortable running her against synthetic specialists.”

Antitrust32 · #9 10-28-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

They have multiple horses in every race, if they thought Vineyard Haven could run on the junk he'd be there in the Sprint or the "Dirt" Mile.

As to Indian Blessing:

“The last two works here have just been very average for her. She’s a great work horse, and my rider said she is just totally different on synthetics,” Baffert said. "She’s not the same filly and she travels totally different on it. She’s always fought it. Coming into Breeders’ Cup, she’s running against great competition, and I just don’t feel comfortable running her against synthetic specialists.”

Wouldnt Icon Project have been on the sitting on the dirt sideline list had she stayed healthy?

10 pnt move up · #10 10-28-2009, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

They have multiple horses in every race, if they thought Vineyard Haven could run on the junk he'd be there in the Sprint or the "Dirt" Mile.

As to Indian Blessing:

“The last two works here have just been very average for her. She’s a great work horse, and my rider said she is just totally different on synthetics,” Baffert said. "She’s not the same filly and she travels totally different on it. She’s always fought it. Coming into Breeders’ Cup, she’s running against great competition, and I just don’t feel comfortable running her against synthetic specialists.”

not to shock anyone but IB has been average all year long, what am I missing with her this season?

Scav · #11 10-28-2009, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

As a third surface I would be fine with them. As a dirt replacement I have MAJOR problems with them, especially with BC dirt races being contested on them.

It isn't like dirt is going anywhere, NY will be dirt forever, Churchill isn't going anywhere, Florida isn't going synthetic.....

SniperSB23 · #12 10-28-2009, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav

It isn't like dirt is going anywhere, NY will be dirt forever, Churchill isn't going anywhere, Florida isn't going synthetic.....

The problem is the Breeders Cup are supposed to be the championships of the sport. To conduct the championship races on the dirt on a surface that isn't dirt is completely preposterous.

Scav · #13 10-28-2009, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The problem is the Breeders Cup are supposed to be the championships of the sport. To conduct the championship races on the dirt on a surface that isn't dirt is completely preposterous.

So what is going to happen to the synthetic horses next year when it is at Churchill? Then they have something to complain about.

Antitrust32 · #14 10-28-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav

So what is going to happen to the synthetic horses next year when it is at Churchill? Then they have something to complain about.

Synthetic horses have a greater advantage running on Turf than Dirt horses have running on Synthetics... so there ya go, they can just run on turf!

slotdirt · #15 10-28-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav

So what is going to happen to the synthetic horses next year when it is at Churchill? Then they have something to complain about.

No they won't; they'll just run on the turf instead.

Scav · #16 10-28-2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt

No they won't; they'll just run on the turf instead.

So a horse like Informed Decision would go to the 'turf' instead of the dirt.

Cmon people....

SniperSB23 · #17 10-28-2009, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav

So a horse like Informed Decision would go to the 'turf' instead of the dirt.

Cmon people....

She won a G1 at Churchill, why would she have any problem with that surface?

Antitrust32 · #18 10-28-2009, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav

So a horse like Informed Decision would go to the 'turf' instead of the dirt.

Cmon people....

okay thats it.. you sold me.. I

fake breeders cups!

Buckpasser · #19 10-28-2009, 05:00 PM

Hey, how about haven't annual awards for every surface (JK). Is this what the game has come to? The more confusion among the public the faster they will leave and go onto something else. The industry has to be more uniform otherwise it will continue to lose customers.

Male Sprinter Dirt Champ:
Male Sprinter Synthetic Champ:
Male Sprinter Grass Champ:

Horse of the Year on Dirt:
Horse of the Year on Synthetic:
Horse of the Year on Grass:

Two-Year-Old Male on Dirt:
Two-Year-Old Male: on Synthetic:
Two-Year-Old Male on Grass:

And so on.......

SniperSB23 · #20 10-28-2009, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buckpasser

Hey, how about haven't annual awards for every surface (JK). Is this what the game has come to? The more confusion among the public the faster they will leave and go onto something else. The industry has to be more uniform otherwise it will continue to lose customers.

Male Sprinter Dirt Champ:
Male Sprinter Synthetic Champ:
Male Sprinter Grass Champ:

Horse of the Year on Dirt:
Horse of the Year on Synthetic:
Horse of the Year on Grass:

Two-Year-Old Male on Dirt:
Two-Year-Old Male: on Synthetic:
Two-Year-Old Male on Grass:

And so on.......

There are probably some horses that are faster on pavement so we better clear a spot in the parking lot for them to race on. We'll need to add swimming as well.