2009 Breeders' Cup

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Gander

I agree 100%. If Zenyatta wins the Classic, I will be very impressed as this is a much better field of horses than Rachel took down in any of her 3 wins vs males. Then she will be interesting and a huge story. For now, shes a very good, freakishly consistent horse who only runs in races in her own element.

I still think she doesnt go here and instead opts for the Ladies Classic. Why would we expect anything else from her connections, when they have already had many opportunities to try the males? Wake me up when the Ladies Classic is over.

The Classic is going to be an awesome race, but so, so much better if Zenyatta go. I hope she does.

Then if either Z or SB win the Classic, is it fair to say they should seriously receive HOY consideration, and a horse sitting on the sidelines protecting her record should not get it via defacto.

[slotdirt]

Zenyatta doesn't deserve even a second of consideration for horse of the year regardless of what she does IF she runs in the Classic. Her schedule has been downright laughable. Summer Bird and Gio Ponti are far more likely to challenge Rachel Alexandra for the award.

[Gander]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Zenyatta doesn't deserve even a second of consideration for horse of the year regardless of what she does IF she runs in the Classic. Her schedule has been downright laughable. Summer Bird and Gio Ponti are far more likely to challenge Rachel Alexandra for the award.

Couldnt agree more. 1 race doesnt make anybody HOY. Her other wins have been jokes against very slow animals.

If any horse ever deserved to sit on the sidelines, its Rachel Alexandra. What she did this year is simply amazing. Shes HOY unless Summer Bird wins this in a romp, then it may be a close vote.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

Then if either Z or SB win the Classic, is it fair to say they should seriously receive HOY consideration, and a horse sitting on the sidelines protecting her record should not get it via defacto.

lordy! Yeah, cause Z didnt sit around for the WHOLE FREAKING YEAR waiting for the classic!

and Summer Bird didnt already get whopped by her!

Remember, Rachel DID run 8 times this year! and 11 times in 11 months.

This argument you keep bring up is very misguided, unless you meant 2nd in the voting when you said "HOY consideration", then it is spot on.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

lordy! Yeah, cause Z didnt sit around for the WHOLE FREAKING YEAR waiting for the classic!

and Summer Bird didnt already get whopped by her!

Remember, Rachel DID run 8 times this year! and 11 times in 11 months.

This argument you keep bring up is very misguided, unless you meant 2nd in the voting when you said "HOY consideration", then it is spot on.

Actually I don't care for Zenyatta, other than if she gets consideration those misguided voters should look at Summer Bird, I know the Rachel fans love dining out on her Haskel win but culmulatively if Summer Bird wins the BC he would have faced far better horses than RA has this year while winning on both synth and dirt tracks. Twice I might add at the classic distance. That's all that matters, she may have been better than him in one race in the summer, I doubt she is now in the fall(present tense), otherwise Jess would surely try to add to her legacy, that's what it is all about with her he was quoted as saying, well strange way of showing it.

Most people say in for a penny in for a pound, in RA's case in for a penny in for 1/2 a pound is quite apropos.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

Actually I don't care for Zenyatta, other than if she gets consideration those misguided voters should look at Summer Bird, I know the Rachel fans love dining out on her Haskel win but culmulatively if Summer Bird wins the BC he would have faced far better horses than RA has this year while winning on both synth and dirt tracks. Twice I might add at the classic distance. That's all that matters, she may have been better than him in one race in the summer, I doubt she is now in the fall(present tense), otherwise Jess would surely try to add to her legacy, that's what it is all about with her he was quoted as saying, well strange way of showing it.

Most people say in for a penny in for a pound, in RA's case in for a penny in for 1/2 a pound is quite apropos.

Him winning at 1 1/4 and her winning at 1 1/8th means nothing for either horse's HOY chances. this "classic" distance thing is out dated.

So far, Summer Bird has not faced "far better horses" at all. And only will in the BC because of some good turfers who are running on a alternate turf surface.

I like Summer Bird quite a bit, eventhough i am a Rachel homer. I also think a Summer Bird BC win would make him a MUCH better HOY selection instead of a Zenyatta BC winner. But neither have a chance against Rachel.

But lets revisit this after the BC, because most likely SB will not win (not because he's not the best.. he is probably the best pre-entry in that race.. but because of the surface), and if he DOES win then we can bring this subject back up.

[Antitrust32]

I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

[slotdirt]

Has anybody considered whether Zenyatta is actually going to like going the full 10 panels?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Gander

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

You guys are just a bunch of crybabies, all synthetics have done is add another dimension to handicapping and racing. It isn't like the breed has changed because of the surface. Some like it, some hate it.

Some like hard dirt, some like deep sandy surfaces, some like a sealed track and some like water on top of it.

[Alan07]

2009 Breeders' Cup World Championships (All Eastern)
Friday, November 6 Race No. Post Bet Types
Santa Anita Race 1 2:15 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Santa Anita Race 2 2:50 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Marathon 3 3:35 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 6, JB
Juv. Fillies Turf 4 4:10 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Juv. Fillies 5 4:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
FM Turf 6 5:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
FM Sprint 7 6:00 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Distaff 8 6:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, SP DD, PEN
Las Palmas H. 9 7:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER

Saturday, November 7 Race No. Post Bet Types
Damascus 1 1:05 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Juv. Turf 2 1:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Turf Sprint 3 2:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Sprint 4 3:10 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 6
Juvenile 5 3:50 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Turf Mile 6 4:30 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Mile 7 5:10 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3, Pick 4
Turf 8 5:58 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, DD, Pick 3
Classic 9 3:45 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER, PEN, DD
Oak Tree Derby 10 4:25 p.m. WPS, EX, TRI, SUPER

WPS = Win, Place, Show
EX = Exacta
TRI = Triple
SUPER = Superfecta
DD = Daily Double (No DD on Races 8-9 Fri.)
SP DD = Special Daily Double
SUPER HI 5 – Super High 5
PICK # = Pick Wagers
JB = Jockey Bet (Win Only)*

CHRB Rules apply for wagering with field sizes
*Bet may not be offered at all simulcast sites

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Him winning at 1 1/4 and her winning at 1 1/8th means nothing for either horse's HOY chances. this "classic" distance thing is out dated.

So far, Summer Bird has not faced "far better horses" at all. And only will in the BC because of some good turfers who are running on a alternate turf surface.

I like Summer Bird quite a bit, eventhough i am a Rachel homer. I also think a Summer Bird BC win would make him a MUCH better HOY selection instead of a Zenyatta BC winner. But neither have a chance against Rachel.

But lets revisit this after the BC, because most likely SB will not win (not because he's not the best.. he is probably the best pre-entry in that race.. but because of the surface), and if he DOES win then we can bring this subject back up.

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I know this is a stupid question and it really shows how little I really care for a BC on fake non-dirt, but when is it? This upcoming weekend or the weekend after?

you are the best Lori!

Originally Posted by Gander

LOL! This is a great post which shows how much this crap has ruined racing and what an insult it is to racing fans that the "big event" is on a fake surface.

Its next weekend by the way. Nov 6-7. Why those dumbasses insist on having half of it on a day (Friday) most people work is beyond me.

Would you rather they take on the goliath known as the NFL instead?