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Old 10-19-2009, 01:41 PM
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the discrimination chain (FOR RIGHT NOW NOT FOR HISTORY):

Muslims

Black Women

Gays

Blacks

Hispanics & Jews fit here

non-black Women

Whites/Asains
The assumption that this is how a white person would view the world is discriminatory in itself unless specifically designated as such.

Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other far more than white men hate gays.

Different types of Muslims hate each other far more than they hate Americans.

Where are the Christians? They surely are as hated as Asians?

In fact I would put the gays behind Hispanics and Jews. Honestly no group has made as big as inroads in American society as gays in my lifetime.

And jews probably should be higher as there seems to be no recourse in actively speaking out or trashing them.
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Old 10-19-2009, 02:10 PM
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The assumption that this is how a white person would view the world is discriminatory in itself unless specifically designated as such.

Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other far more than white men hate gays.

Different types of Muslims hate each other far more than they hate Americans.

Where are the Christians? They surely are as hated as Asians?

In fact I would put the gays behind Hispanics and Jews. Honestly no group has made as big as inroads in American society as gays in my lifetime.

And jews probably should be higher as there seems to be no recourse in actively speaking out or trashing them.

this was just for america, not the world. I think Americans would be #1 if it was for the world.. seems like everyone hates Americans even when the rely on us. though muslims would still be close, but it would be for the reasons you wrote. Jews have gotten the bad end of the stick for all of history.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:05 PM
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this was just for america, not the world. I think Americans would be #1 if it was for the world.. seems like everyone hates Americans even when the rely on us. though muslims would still be close, but it would be for the reasons you wrote. Jews have gotten the bad end of the stick for all of history.
I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.
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Old 10-19-2009, 08:03 PM
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I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.
Hated is a strong word...laughed at is more appropriate
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:42 PM
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Hated is a strong word...laughed at is more appropriate
I thought Obama had that all sorted out?
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:49 AM
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I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.

i used my viewpoint
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:14 AM
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i used my viewpoint
You personally have gays third?
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Old 10-20-2009, 11:23 AM
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You personally have gays third?

Am I supposed to have them first? Yes personally third.. this is just for America not the world. Since 9/11 Muslims have had it the worst here. Black women have it real bad for the most part. Gays are allowed to be bashed on tv, church and anywhere and its allowed to be supported.

Of course its just my opinion.
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Old 10-20-2009, 12:38 PM
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Am I supposed to have them first? Yes personally third.. this is just for America not the world. Since 9/11 Muslims have had it the worst here. Black women have it real bad for the most part. Gays are allowed to be bashed on tv, church and anywhere and its allowed to be supported.

Of course its just my opinion.
http://news.aol.com/article/mob-hit-...s-court/724474

How bad can it be for gays? Even mob hitmen are coming out now.
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Old 10-20-2009, 03:42 PM
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I dont think that Americans are nearly as hated worldwide as we are led to believe.

But my point was that you wrote the post using the viewpoint of a white American male. or at least what your version of what a white American male may think.
.....true shell, in california, in my line of work ( aerospace ) the mexicans and guamalans truely hate ea. other.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:35 PM
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Mexicans and Puerto Ricans hate each other far more than white men hate gays.
Your ability to conduct the extensive research needed to make all of your broad sociological pronouncements in thousands of areas at once never ceases to amaze.....but you have outdone even yourself in talking out of your ass with this one.
What exactly are you basing this statement on?
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:56 PM
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Discrimination and racism are 2 different things.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:01 PM
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Your ability to conduct the extensive research needed to make all of your broad sociological pronouncements in thousands of areas at once never ceases to amaze.....but you have outdone even yourself in talking out of your ass with this one.
What exactly are you basing this statement on?

um it is very true. All you have to do is know a few mexicans or puerto ricans to come up with that one. Same with dominicans.. they hate PR's for the most part. I mean as individuals people can like one another.. but call a dominican a puerto rican and you will probably get punched in the face.

Edit: but then again if you call a straight white guy a f*g you may get a bullet in your head. I think Cannon underestimates straight men's discrimination towards gay men. Its just different with lesbians because most guys approve.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:08 PM
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um it is very true. All you have to do is know a few mexicans or puerto ricans to come up with that one. Same with dominicans.. they hate PR's for the most part. I mean as individuals people can like one another.. but call a dominican a puerto rican and you will probably get punched in the face.

Edit: but then again if you call a straight white guy a f*g you may get a bullet in your head. I think Cannon underestimates straight men's discrimination towards gay men. Its just different with lesbians because most guys approve.
As a straight man with many straight male friends I dont know any that would go out of their way to discriminate against a gay male. And it isnt as though all my friends are completely ...uh..enlightened.
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Old 10-19-2009, 09:34 PM
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As a straight man with many straight male friends I dont know any that would go out of their way to discriminate against a gay male. And it isnt as though all my friends are completely ...uh..enlightened.
Well you've got good friends then.

You'd be surprised at how pervasive it is.
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Old 10-19-2009, 05:02 PM
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Your ability to conduct the extensive research needed to make all of your broad sociological pronouncements in thousands of areas at once never ceases to amaze.....but you have outdone even yourself in talking out of your ass with this one.
What exactly are you basing this statement on?

Actually from what I have seen at work Mexicans hate Guatamalans more than they hate the Ricans but this is just from a small pool of migrant workers.
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Old 10-19-2009, 07:03 PM
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Your ability to conduct the extensive research needed to make all of your broad sociological pronouncements in thousands of areas at once never ceases to amaze.....but you have outdone even yourself in talking out of your ass with this one.
What exactly are you basing this statement on?
Duh, from talking to Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. I have spent the last 25 or so years interacting daily with what you would call Hispanics.
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