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I think he will be a very good stallion as well.
War Pass is another who I think might rank top 5 on a lot of lists. I wasn't as big a fan of his good races as the huge numbers would suggest ... but he still was an outstanding 2yo - who came apart at 3. 
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10-16-2009, 11:19 AM
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Two of my all-time favorite races ...
Lil's Lad's Florida Derby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUqQepcYSXA Arazi's BC Juvie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzbPhYfiCNo
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10-16-2009, 11:22 AM
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who are this years greatest failures?
Fresian Fire & Stardom Bound... though i guess its not really fair with injuries and all.
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10-17-2009, 08:28 PM
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Warriors Reward?
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10-18-2009, 11:30 AM
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I don't understand why an injury= failure on some of the ones mentioned. Pulpit was a monster who according to you "disappointed" in winning the Bluegrass before an injury ended his career in running 4th in the Derby behind Silver Charm.
Tell me again why Empire Maker disappointed. The foot issue likely cost him the Derby, but that race was between a double digit length win in the Florida Derby and a Belmont win. That's not a failure. Injuries cost him a chance to prove what he may have ultimately been capable of doing, but again it's not a failure. Basically the list here is of great juveniles that didn't develop further or had careers interrupted by injuries....
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10-17-2009, 03:35 AM
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who was favored in that 95 derby?
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10-17-2009, 03:39 AM
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I think the Timber Country/Serena's Song entry...
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10-16-2009, 11:24 AM
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Not even mentioning Arazi had surgery just before his three year old season is a bit disingenuous. He was never the same horse after.
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Still didn't stop him from running 3rd in the BC Mile off of an 11 month layoff... and yet .. he's a failure.
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10-16-2009, 11:46 AM
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When injury and stupidity on the part of ownership stops you from being as good as you can be, as in the case of Arazi, I don't think you belong on the list. Other than that, I think the list is good. There are other worthy candidates but the ones you listed are good ones. It always amazes me how some people don't understand the term "relative". The Lakers could win 75 games this year and if they don't win the title, the season would be considered a failure. The Knicks can win 40 games and not make the playoffs and the season could be considered a success.
Drugs, what do you think about horses like Dinard and Event of the Year?
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Yep. And this is not a "most overhyped" list. I think it would take me weeks instead of minutes to think up a most overhyped list with all the overhyped horses I've witnessed. These 5 are horses that really seemed to have something special ability wise - and just badly fell off the path to greatness.
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10-16-2009, 09:17 PM
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I think First Samurai should be on this list.
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If I recall correctly... He broke his maiden in a 12 horse group, came to Saratoga and crushed an allowance group... Jerry rode him that day then took a helicopter to Monmouth to win the Haskell aboard Roman Ruler. He thought highly enough of him! Then he crushed Henny Hughes in the Hopeful. So IMO he had a lot going for him after those first 3 races then never panned out.
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