NYT: Drugs & I Want Revenge

[randallscott35]

Well Dr. Gorman thought it could be used to mask things back then. I'm sure two decades later he has changed his mind.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Well Dr. Gorman thought it could be used to mask things back then. I'm sure two decades later he has changed his mind.

Do we have to go through the list of technological advances since then? I was on a medication committee that met with the KHRA over proposals for updating medication rules a few years ago. One of the chemists on the panel said with absolute certainty that no diuretic (specifically Salix) can prevent detection of known substances at the levels that they can now test at. Of course he was bragging but the explanation was part of an idea that we needed to update the thresholds of allowable medications because the rules were holdovers from a different era of testing. Naturally there was no funding to do the research.

[richard]

Take a look at the pdf file of the April vet bill. Almost $1,500 , mostly for injections is cause for concern ? Or not ?

The link is within the NYT article itself. About 19 injections for just 3 weeks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by richard

Take a look at the pdf file of the April vet bill. Almost $1,500 , mostly for injections is cause for concern ? Or not ?

The link is within the NYT article itself. About 19 injections for just 3 weeks.

There is nothing that is anything but routine on those vet bills. Close to $300 of that is for gastrogard which is an innocuous ulcer treatment. Over $500 is diagnostic work including multiple xrays, ultra sound and endoscopic examination.
From the top it looks he electrolytes/vitamins and fluids which is normal. Naquasone paste is used to reduce minor inflammation and was given in oral form. Liquamycin is an antibiotic. Panacur powerpack is a series of 5 dewormers. On 4/13 he was given what looks like a pre-work series of enzymes, Bute and Adequan which is a joint treatment that helps reduce the inflammation and pain of degenerative joint disease, but also to help stop the degenerative process while stimulating the production of new joint fluid and new cartilage components. Adequan would be given in the muscle in this case.

On the 14th he was given Lasix before the work and scoped afterwards. He must have had some inflammation as they ultrasounded the right leg. he also got another shot of antibiotics.

On the 15th he had his digital tendon sheath injected with what looks like a combo of Amikacin which is an antibiotic used with bacterial infections and possibly polyglycan which is hyaluromnic acid, glucosamine and sodium chondroitan and possibly vetalog which is a corticosteroid used to fight inflamation. He also got a shot of Baytril which is also an antibiotic.

He got antibiotics till the 21st when he worked and was scoped again.

The next week he only got vitamins

On the 28th he worked again and bled (see EIPH slight) and both ankles were injected with hyalrulonic acid.

The next day he got 1 shot of antibiotics and vitamins

The next day he received a DMSO jug, a shot of Robaxin which is a muscle relaxant and a shot of banamine which reduces inflammation.

The day before the derby he got a shot of bute, amino acids, and robinul and sodium iodide. The Robinul and sodium iodide are usually used as a prerace treatment for a bleeder.

The rest is self explanatory.

[chucklestheclown]

Fascinating. What is lost here is that IEAH vetted him out and he was, presumably, fine, or fine enough. They should sue their vet and/or insurance company and not Lanzman. And yes, I'm a lawyer so I am fully qualified to speak on this matter.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Fascinating. What is lost here is that IEAH vetted him out and he was, presumably, fine, or fine enough. They should sue their vet and/or insurance company and not Lanzman. And yes, I'm a lawyer so I am fully qualified to speak on this matter.

I'm interested to know on what basis would you sue the vet and insurance co?

[richard]

Let me take a moment and thank Trainer CS for his time and shared insight into these matters .

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

Fascinating. What is lost here is that IEAH vetted him out and he was, presumably, fine, or fine enough. They should sue their vet and/or insurance company and not Lanzman. And yes, I'm a lawyer so I am fully qualified to speak on this matter.

why should they sue their insurance company? We dont tell people to buy horses or not, thats for sure.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I am glad that you qualified this answer, because after the first two sentences, I would not have guessed that you were an attorney.

exactly. Unless the vet knew something and didnt disclose, which is just not probable, ya cant take any action towards the vet.

The insurance company??? we cant tell anyone whether they can or cannot buy any horse. We can only decide if we want to insure and at what rate & exclusions..

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

exactly. Unless the vet knew something and didnt disclose, which is just not probable, ya cant take any action towards the vet.

The insurance company??? we cant tell anyone whether they can or cannot buy any horse. We can only decide if we want to insure and at what rate & exclusions..

You know all insurance companies are evil and corrupt!

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is nothing that is anything but routine on those vet bills. Close to $300 of that is for gastrogard which is an innocuous ulcer treatment. Over $500 is diagnostic work including multiple xrays, ultra sound and endoscopic examination.
From the top it looks he electrolytes/vitamins and fluids which is normal. Naquasone paste is used to reduce minor inflammation and was given in oral form. Liquamycin is an antibiotic. Panacur powerpack is a series of 5 dewormers. On 4/13 he was given what looks like a pre-work series of enzymes, Bute and Adequan which is a joint treatment that helps reduce the inflammation and pain of degenerative joint disease, but also to help stop the degenerative process while stimulating the production of new joint fluid and new cartilage components. Adequan would be given in the muscle in this case.

On the 14th he was given Lasix before the work and scoped afterwards. He must have had some inflammation as they ultrasounded the right leg. he also got another shot of antibiotics.

On the 15th he had his digital tendon sheath injected with what looks like a combo of Amikacin which is an antibiotic used with bacterial infections and possibly polyglycan which is hyaluromnic acid, glucosamine and sodium chondroitan and possibly vetalog which is a corticosteroid used to fight inflamation. He also got a shot of Baytril which is also an antibiotic.

He got antibiotics till the 21st when he worked and was scoped again.

The next week he only got vitamins

On the 28th he worked again and bled (see EIPH slight) and both ankles were injected with hyalrulonic acid.

The next day he got 1 shot of antibiotics and vitamins

The next day he received a DMSO jug, a shot of Robaxin which is a muscle relaxant and a shot of banamine which reduces inflammation.

The day before the derby he got a shot of bute, amino acids, and robinul and sodium iodide. The Robinul and sodium iodide are usually used as a prerace treatment for a bleeder.

The rest is self explanatory.

In all candor this reads like a menu at a Diner in Jersey..Chuck this horse was a mess. I think Michael jackson had less meds in him.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

In all candor this reads like a menu at a Diner in Jersey..Chuck this horse was a mess. I think Michael jackson had less meds in him.

He had a lot of antibiotics but everything else was nothing special. If you take away the antibiotics there really isnt much there.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He had a lot of antibiotics but everything else was nothing special. If you take away the antibiotics there really isnt much there.

Save the gastroguard which is over priced (who uses this anymore?) How about the anti inflam stuff? My "wonder pig" needs his ankles done with either acid or cortisone every month just to be able to train..That isn't good. If this horse needed such levels of meds it should have been repped and once it was BUYER BEWARE.. Why is Allday's opinion so different then yours on the subject.. Is he smarter then you also?lol

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by richard

Take a look at the pdf file of the April vet bill. Almost $1,500.

Actually, the vet bill for the six week period was over $3,000. The bills to each owner were for only 50%, presumably reflecting their respective ownership interests.

[Fearless Leader]

This whole story is a joke. IEAH presumably vetted the horse before they bought him and were sufficiently satisfied to hand over the check. Whatever happened afterwards is what it is. Horses get hurt every day. This deal didn't work out for them so they want to blame everybody else. Witholding payments which they are contractually obligated to make, and not paying for the care and upkeep of the horse shows what kind of people they obviously really are.

They weren't complaining while in the winner's circle after the Wood Memorial were they ?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Fearless Leader

This whole story is a joke. IEAH presumably vetted the horse before they bought him and were sufficiently satisfied to hand over the check. Whatever happened afterwards is what it is. Horses get hurt every day. This deal didn't work out for them so they want to blame everybody else. Witholding payments which they are contractually obligated to make, and not paying for the care and upkeep of the horse shows what kind of people they obviously really are.

They weren't complaining while in the winner's circle after the Wood Memorial were they ?

Exactly