Joe Woodard

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Let me get this straight:

They buy horses. I get that.

They cut them in half? I don't get that.

Uh claiming price. Or they buy maidens from the big tracks and ship them to River Downs. It is really easy to win if you are perfectly willing to lose tons of money. Buy a horse running 5 or 6th in maiden 30k at a big track for 15k, ship them to River and run in a MSW for a 6k pot. Win the race and run back in a 10 nw2 with a 5k purse. Win that one and run in a 10 nw3 with a 5.5k purse. Win that one and you may have run out of easy wins. You have spent 20k in purchase price, shipping, vet and training and won maybe 8k after paying the trainer and jockey. Now you have a horse who may not be worth 5k any more and a 12k loss. But you have 3 win pics and a nice %.

[VOL JACK]

Maybe he has started feeding his horses.


2006; 28 wins from 179 starts= 15% 1.08 roi 527k earnings

2007; 24 wins from 176 starts= 13% 1.00 roi 325k earnings

2008; 45 wins from 250 starts= 18% 1.95 roi 433k earnings
many of these wins came from the bush track in Detroit...Pinnacle Downs.

2009; 132 wins from 421 starts= 31% 1.91 roi 976k earnings

My business partner/next door neighbor and I claimed a horse off Mr. Woodard in Nov.2007. He was the most uncared for horse you ever saw at the track. TWP made the track blacksmith put 2 new shoes on him in the paddock. He gained 200lbs in 3-4 months after the claim and turned into a petty decent horse.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Maybe he has started feeding his horses.


2006; 28 wins from 179 starts= 15% 1.08 roi 527k earnings

2007; 24 wins from 176 starts= 13% 1.00 roi 325k earnings

2008; 45 wins from 250 starts= 18% 1.95 roi 433k earnings
many of these wins came from the bush track in Detroit...Pinnacle Downs.

2009; 132 wins from 421 starts= 31% 1.91 roi 976k earnings

My business partner/next door neighbor and I claimed a horse off Mr. Woodard in Nov.2007. He was the most uncared for horse you ever saw at the track. TWP made the track blacksmith put 2 new shoes on him in the paddock. He gained 200lbs in 3-4 months after the claim and turned into a petty decent horse.

He is GREAT to claim off of, note my "he doesn't do much with them" comment (a nice way of saying he's a terrible trainer despite this year's success.)

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by philcski

He is GREAT to claim off of, note my "he doesn't do much with them" comment (a nice way of saying he's a terrible trainer despite this year's success.)

Lets just say he is no Woody Stephens.

I have heard some pretty crazy stuff about him...like breezing horses a half mile forgetting that they are entered that very day. To things like going long periods of time without going to the barn.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Lets just say he is no Woody Stephens.

I have heard some pretty crazy stuff about him...like breezing horses a half mile forgetting that they are entered that very day. To things like going long periods of time without going to the barn.

Accurate statement... the person you heard this from did most of the work around the barn for a period of time when Woodard went on an extended bender.

[VOL JACK]

JW is the king of getting a solid 30k horse 5k starter eligible and winning a ton of races with them.
Funky Pirate would have been a stakes horse with any competent trainer.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

JW is the king of getting a solid 30k horse 5k starter eligible and winning a ton of races with them.
Funky Pirate would have been a stakes horse with any competent trainer.

Didn't Cannon Shell have Funky Pirate early in his career (the horse, not Cannon)? Sounds like a Stella Thayer name.