Chance Sea the Stars comes to BC?

Cannon Shell · #1 10-05-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

It's obvious isn't it? They have nothing to gain and at least a little to lose in the Turf, and a ton to gain and nothing to lose in the Classic.

They have a lot to lose in any race they run in now. Sounds like the trainer doesnt want to run anyway.

randallscott35 · #2 10-05-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They have a lot to lose in any race they run in now. Sounds like the trainer doesnt want to run anyway.

Agreed. He's not coming.

CSC · #3 10-05-2009, 03:15 PM

When was the last Arc winner to come over for the BC, I seem to remember Pentre Celebre coming over in 91 or something, not sure if there have been many off the top of my head.

#4 10-05-2009, 03:17 PM

There's no way he's running again. Why risk it?

I ask the same thing about The Steelers. I mean they won the Super Bowl last year. It's too risky to play this year! Take a break guys! Competition is not good! Oh my vagina!

brockguy · #5 10-05-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

When was the last Arc winner to come over for the BC, I seem to remember Pentre Celebre coming over in 91 or something, not sure if there have been many off the top of my head.

Dylan Thomas! plus i was surprised to hear Tsui say he's 50-50 to go to the BC. I has it at 95% he would be retired after yesterday!

Buckpasser · #6 10-05-2009, 03:41 PM

I don't think they are coming over either, but with Raven's Pass winning last year on the synthetic that may have opened some eyes. Don't forget, Henry the Navigator, another Euro was second. The $5 million purse is also very tempting.

SniperSB23 · #7 10-05-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They have a lot to lose in any race they run in now. Sounds like the trainer doesnt want to run anyway.

You think they have a lot to lose by going in the Classic? They have a lot to lose if he's beat on the Turf but on the synthetics there is a built in excuse.

The Indomitable DrugS · #8 10-05-2009, 04:47 PM

I hope Richard's Kid wins the Classic. I'd love to see a really bad Eastern dirt horse win it.

Antitrust32 · #9 10-05-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You think they have a lot to lose by going in the Classic? They have a lot to lose if he's beat on the Turf but on the synthetics there is a built in excuse.

I hope you bet Kodiak!

SniperSB23 · #10 10-05-2009, 05:22 PM

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I hope you bet Kodiak!

I was so uninspired I not only didn't watch racing this weekend, I didn't even check the results until this afternoon. A synthetic BC kills my interest once Toga is done (and I'm even going to the BC).

Antitrust32 · #11 10-05-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was so uninspired I not only didn't watch racing this weekend, I didn't even check the results until this afternoon. A synthetic BC kills my interest once Toga is done (and I'm even going to the BC).

Honestly I forgot all those races were even run this weekend until I got to work today. I really wish I was going to Cali with you

Scav · #12 10-05-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Honestly I forgot all those races were even run this weekend until I got to work today. I really wish I was going to Cali with you

I wish you were going to so I can put those fingers to work, 1 margarita per 15 minute massage, you get 8

SniperSB23 · #13 10-05-2009, 05:44 PM

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Honestly I forgot all those races were even run this weekend until I got to work today. I really wish I was going to Cali with you

I've got a room with two queen beds if you can find a cheap flight.

Cannon Shell · #14 10-05-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I was so uninspired I not only didn't watch racing this weekend, I didn't even check the results until this afternoon. A synthetic BC kills my interest once Toga is done (and I'm even going to the BC).

I hope you havent been paying much attention to the Raiders either.

Cannon Shell · #15 10-05-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You think they have a lot to lose by going in the Classic? They have a lot to lose if he's beat on the Turf but on the synthetics there is a built in excuse.

A loss to end his career regardless of surface will be a sour note to end on. He wouldnt lose the turf unless the jock fell off.

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 10-05-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A loss to end his career regardless of surface will be a sour note to end on. He wouldnt lose the turf unless the jock fell off.

Arc winners are notoriously great bets in the Turf.

hockey2315 · #17 10-05-2009, 06:52 PM

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Arc winners are notoriously great bets in the Turf.

I keep saying that and getting ignored. This reminds me of all the Dylan Thomas talk from a few years ago.

Cannon Shell · #18 10-06-2009, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Arc winners are notoriously great bets in the Turf.

Completely statistically irrelevant

CSC · #19 10-06-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Completely statistically irrelevant

I think the stats are somewhat misleading in this case, High Chaparral finished 3rd in the Arc twice but also won the BC twice so I'm not sure what we can draw from this Arc jinx stat, Arc winners are a poor bet for other reasons, usually because they are an underlay.

King Glorious · #20 10-06-2009, 01:36 PM

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I think the stats are somewhat misleading in this case, High Chaparral finished 3rd in the Arc twice but also won the BC twice so I'm not sure what we can draw from this Arc jinx stat, Arc winners are a poor bet for other reasons, usually because they are an underlay.

A lot of horses have lost the Arc and then won the BC. Same thing as the QE II and the Mile. Several have lost that race and won the Mile. But none have won both just as none have won the Arc and Turf.

I don't have any stats to look at but I've heard a lot of talk and seen a few runners from the BC that have run one more time during that same year after the BC and have suffered some big upsets. I just think it's more than a coincidence that none have won either of Europe's two big races for distance horses or miler and then come over here and won. I feel that you have a better chance of seeing one of those horses come out of those races and win a BC race if the BC has been on the agenda all along. Maybe they train them a little different and leave a little in the tank. I don't know. Maybe they skip a race earlier in the season so that they aren't as worn down at the end. But a horse like Sea the Stars, they had him set to peak at the Arc and the BC has never been set in stone.