Best Breeder's Cup?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I've only been to one, in 1999 at the old Gulfstream, and it was awesome. Great racing, Artax's performance sticks out. And Hugh Hefner and his girlfriends didnt hurt.


I liked the one at Woodbine a lot also.

On that biased track, cmon.

I like 1994 at Churchill, look at the list of winners.

[Cannon Shell]

2008

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

On that biased track, cmon.

That speed bias sure helped Anees.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

This year's Breeders' Cup promises to be better than 2008.

I dont know. I made money last year. Doubt that happens again.

[brianwspencer]

I like 2008...only because it was my first one in person.

I think I actually enjoyed the races top to bottom the best the last time it was at Churchill, what 2006?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think I actually enjoyed the races top to bottom the best the last time it was at Churchill, what 2006?

On that biased track, cmon.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

On that biased track, cmon.

I can't tell if your wink is sarcastic about the track being biased or about me liking it....so I won't touch that

[randallscott35]

Churchill 2000.

Personally. Belmont 2005

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I like 2008...only because it was my first one in person.

I think I actually enjoyed the races top to bottom the best the last time it was at Churchill, what 2006?

The first one may have been the best one. From a desperate Wild Again holding on in a great finish, Chiefs Crown beating the future Preakness winner in Tanks Prospect and Derby and HOY Spend a Buck in the juvy, the DQ in the juvy filly, Eillo won a pretty weak sprint, Royale Heroine blitzing the mile in TR time and defeating among others Cozzene, Princess Rooneys dominating Distaff romp, Lashkari beating All Along in the turf for the Aga Khan, it was a unbelievable day of racing. That was before tracks stacked stakes races on their big days outside of the supporting races on TC days, there wasnt nearly the amount of shipping cross country, there were no super trainers outside of Wayne Lukas and people were a whole lot less cynical about horse racing.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The first one may have been the best one. From a desperate Wild Again holding on in a great finish, Chiefs Crown beating the future Preakness winner in Tanks Prospect and Derby and HOY Spend a Buck in the juvy, the DQ in the juvy filly, Eillo won a pretty weak sprint, Royale Heroine blitzing the mile in TR time and defeating among others Cozzene, Princess Rooneys dominating Distaff romp, Lashkari beating All Along in the turf for the Aga Khan, it was a unbelievable day of racing. That was before tracks stacked stakes races on their big days outside of the supporting races on TC days, there wasnt nearly the amount of shipping cross country, there were no super trainers outside of Wayne Lukas and people were a whole lot less cynical about horse racing.

But I didn't attend it with Scav, therefore it cannot be a finalist.











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[randallscott35]

This chart alone should make it 2000. An amazing chart of horses who matter....of sires who matter....

Stakes - For Thoroughbred Two Year Old Colts and Geldings One And One Sixteenth Miles on the Dirt
Purse: $1,000,000 Guaranteed
Value of Race: $980,120 1st $556,400, 2nd $214,000, 3rd $128,400, 4th $59,920,
5th $21,400
Weather: Cloudy Track: Fast
Off at: 4:02 Start: Good for all

Pgm HorseName (Jockey) Wgt M/E PP SP 1/4 1/2 3/4 Str Fin Odds
4 Macho Uno (Bailey, J.D.) 122 L 4 3 4-Head 5-1 4-Head 2-2 1/2 1-Nose 6.30
1 Point Given (Stevens, G.L.) 122 L b 1 10 10-Head 12-Head 14 6-1 1/2 2-1 1/2 8.10
9 Street Cry (IRE) (Flores, D.R.) 122 L 9 7 8-Head 9-2 6-1/2 3-2 3-1/2 5.60
14 Burning Roma (McCarron, C.J.) 122 L 14 14 14 13-1/2 9-2 5-1 4-Neck 41.70
10 Arabian Light (Sellers, S.J.) 122 L 10 4 1-1 1/2 1-1/2 1-1/2 1-1 5-3/4 9.70
7 Turnberry Isle (IRE) (Kinane, M.J 122 L 7 13 13-2 14 10-Head 8-2 1/2 6-1 48.40
8 City Zip (Santos, J.A.) 122 L 8 2 3-1/2 4-Head 5-1 1/2 4-1/2 7-2 3/4 32.80
12 Flame Thrower (Espinoza, V.) 122 L 12 5 2-Head 2-1/2 2-1 7-1/2 8-1 1/4 5.40
2 Scorpion (Gomez, G.K.) 122 L s 2 1 7-1 7-1 8-1/2 9-5 9-3 1/2 46.80
3 Dollar Bill (Migliore, R.) 122 L 3 12 12-Head 11-1 13-1/2 10-1/2 10-2 1/4 33.20
5 Noverre (Dettori, L.) 122 L 5 6 6-Head 6-Head 7-1/2 11-1 11-2 1/2 35.80
11 Yonaguska (Day, P.) 122 L bs 11 8 5-1/2 3-Head 3-Head 12-1 12-1 1/2 9.80
13 Trailthefox (Prado, E.S.) 122 L 13 11 11-1 10-Head 12-3 13-6 13-5 64.60
6 A P Valentine (Chavez, J.F.) 122 L c 6 9 9-2 1/2 8-1/2 11-1/2 14 14 2.40*
Fractional Times: 23.40, 46.98, 1:11.21, 1:35.71, 1:42.05

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The first one may have been the best one. From a desperate Wild Again holding on in a great finish, Chiefs Crown beating the future Preakness winner in Tanks Prospect and Derby and HOY Spend a Buck in the juvy, the DQ in the juvy filly, Eillo won a pretty weak sprint, Royale Heroine blitzing the mile in TR time and defeating among others Cozzene, Princess Rooneys dominating Distaff romp, Lashkari beating All Along in the turf for the Aga Khan, it was a unbelievable day of racing. That was before tracks stacked stakes races on their big days outside of the supporting races on TC days, there wasnt nearly the amount of shipping cross country, there were no super trainers outside of Wayne Lukas and people were a whole lot less cynical about horse racing.

In the early years of the BC, one of the criticisms was that it offered too much good racing at one place on one day. Supporters pointed out that that format was needed to attract NBC. My how things have changed. The Cup has runneth over to be spread over two days, and mega stakes days have become the norm around the country.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think I actually enjoyed the races top to bottom the best the last time it was at Churchill, what 2006?

I'd vote for that. Other than Invasor it was a great day. Plus we had the benefit of Byk running down to tell us to pound Street Sense as the bias was obvious. Red Rocks was especially nice though was a bit chilly for the FL and Irish human-shippers. Speaking of that Hooves call me!

[jballscalls]

2004 at Lone Star was my fave! as to the best, probably one from before i really watched

[CSC]

Toss up between Woodbine in 96 and CD in 98 for me.

[MISTERGEE]

Maybe because I was there but go with 1989 at Gulfstream. Just to name a few Bayakoa, Go For Wand, and of course Sunday Silence over Easy Goer

[philcski]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'd vote for that. Other than Invasor it was a great day. Plus we had the benefit of Byk running down to tell us to pound Street Sense as the bias was obvious. Red Rocks was especially nice though was a bit chilly for the FL and Irish human-shippers. Speaking of that Hooves call me!

Bias? really? It was the 4th race of the day, and logical horses had won the first 3 races. How would anyone have surmised there was a bias by that point? Steve was all over Street Sense weeks before that after his premature move in the Keeneland race. (even though I disagree there was a bias anyways, if you do believe there was a bias that day then Invasor was even more impressive. In retrospect there wasn't an oddball dirt result at all.)

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Really? I thought that mile was one of the weakest editions.

Me too... One of the 3 BC's I've actually attended, however it was a great day overall with it being one of the first major sports events in NYC after 9/11 and the great Classic.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

It's very hard to seperate a great number of them. I'd give a slight edge to 1989 though.

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by philcski

In retrospect there wasn't an oddball dirt result at all

I thought Round Pond romping in any field was an oddball result.

Either way, I liked 2005 a bunch, but that was the only BC in which I had some success.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

First of all, I have great faith in you.

(Secondly, are you trying to say that you will bounce this year off of last year's effort?)

I'm a trainer so obviously I have no clue how to handicap or bet. I doubt I will have any 35-1 shots who I absolutely love again though.