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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I really think some kind of health care reform is going to pass. This country really needs it. Affordable health care for all Americans is just the morally right thing to do. the govn't option sucks because we all know that the government royally screws up anything they stick their nose into. What really bugs me is the dems insistance about not reforming the malpractice bulljive. They cant offend those few thousand lawyers that pad their pockets. Sure they say they are doing this or that.. but there is no real interest on the Dems side to reform malpractice sheisa. If they put more effort into that I could see some Repubs getting on board.

And the reason Obama wants bipartisan support is because when his policies fail miserably, like the stimulus, he wants to be able to share the blame.

the best thing they could do to help out health care would be the one thing they absolutely won't do-tort reform. because, when it's all said and done, the pols will do what's best for themselves, not the rest of us. and tort reform would definitely not be best for the pols.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the best thing they could do to help out health care would be the one thing they absolutely won't do-tort reform. because, when it's all said and done, the pols will do what's best for themselves, not the rest of us. and tort reform would definitely not be best for the pols.

Originally Posted by Antitrust

What really bugs me is the dems insistance about not reforming the malpractice bulljive.

Obama has asked for tort reform provisions to be definitely included in the House bill. It was announced in the "Joe Wilson" speech.

That was weeks ago - you guys don't pay attention?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has asked for tort reform provisions to be definitely included in the House bill. It was announced in the "Joe Wilson" speech.

That was weeks ago - you guys don't pay attention?

lol
asking and getting are waaaaaay different. you really think dems are going to bite that hand? lol ain't gonna happen. lawyers are some of the biggest contributors to the democratic party, and certainly would never want anything close to tort reform.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
asking and getting are waaaaaay different. you really think dems are going to bite that hand? lol ain't gonna happen. lawyers are some of the biggest contributors to the democratic party, and certainly would never want anything close to tort reform.

The GOP just has to write it up and get it in there. It will be weak and basically useless, as you say, to protect the insurance industry and lawyers. The Dems have already said no problem, and Obama will sign it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Obama has asked for tort reform provisions to be definitely included in the House bill. It was announced in the "Joe Wilson" speech.

That was weeks ago - you guys don't pay attention?

If you knew how to read you would have read where they did some bullshit with the tort reform.. but its really weak. I dont want to argue with you though as you are clueless.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

If you knew how to read you would have read where they did some bullshit with the tort reform.. but its really weak. I dont want to argue with you though as you are clueless.

Then why are you posting?

[Riot]

Name the Senator:

The Senator offered unusually blunt assessments of the fringe elements of the Republican party and conservative media on Thursday, calling the popular and bombastic Fox News host Glenn Beck a "cynic" whose show was antithetical to American values.

"Only in America can you make that much money crying," the Senator said of Beck. "Glenn Beck is not aligned with any party. He is aligned with cynicism and there has always been a market for cynics. But we became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers."

Appearing before a crowd of Washington's elite power players and opinion-makers, the Senator spoke largely without filter, offering acidic takes on subject well beyond Beck. The Senator called the birther community that questions the president's U.S. citizenship "crazy" and implored them to "knock this crap off" so the country could get on to more important matters.

"I'm here to tell you that those who think the president was not born in Hawaii are crazy," said the Senator who went on to dispel another myth: that Obama is a closet Muslim.

Speaking before the conference, the Senator also ventured to call "crazy" a recent article on Newsmax, laying out how a military coup could overtake the Obama administration.

He said he was deeply worried about "the passions of cable TV" whipping up the emotions of the public. "If you get rewarded for being a jerk you are going to keep doing it," he said, before labeling "Talk radio, MoveOn.org, and the 24-hour news cycle" as the main culprits in polarizing the nation.

"Can you imagine doing D-Day with cable television?" he asked. "Can you imagine writing the Constitution -- you know, O'Reilly says Ben Franklin's giving in on something. Can you imagine having to do that in this environment?"

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Name the Senator:

Lindsay "The gaping puss" Graham? Hey 'we' Republicans have our pussys as well.......

[dellinger63]

Let's talk Jimmy Carter LOL

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Lindsay "The gaping puss" Graham? Hey 'we' Republicans have our pussys as well.......

I know, can you believe it? Go Lindsay!

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Lindsay "The gaping puss" Graham? Hey 'we' Republicans have our pussys as well.......

graham is a huge disappointment. you do everything you can to hang electoral albatrosses like rush and beck around the neck of the republican party and a guy like him comes along talking sensibly.

it's good to know he'll remain under pressure from extremists. maybe you guys can run someone against him in the primaries? please?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Lindsay "The gaping puss" Graham? Hey 'we' Republicans have our pussys as well.......

btw dell: it takes more balls to stand up against a tsunami of stupid then it does to go with the flow like most other republicans.

but i expect him to fold like the rest of the wimps that have briefly tried to stand up on 2 feet. 3 days. early next week at the latest. you'll make sure he has to.

thanks for that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the best thing they could do to help out health care would be the one thing they absolutely won't do-tort reform. because, when it's all said and done, the pols will do what's best for themselves, not the rest of us. and tort reform would definitely not be best for the pols.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...mostcommentart

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Even if we have Tort Reform, most likely Doctors and insurance companies will just find a way to pocket the savings. If one pig at the trough goes away, the others just eat his share. You really think, if they set up these panels (or boards) to bypass lawyers, that Insurance companies n' Doctors won't find away to buy them off? These are two smart pigs. If you do this, then you better come up with a system that recognizes this. You think it's easy to get patients what they are due without pigs fighting other pigs to get it? Don't be naive. There are three pigs at the trough. Get rid of one of them, and (of course) the other two eat his share. The only way this won't happen is with some very strong mechanism that can't be manipulated by these other two.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Even if we have Tort Reform, most likely Doctors and insurance companies will just find a way to pocket the savings. If one pig at the trough goes away, the others just eat his share. You really think, if they set up these panels (or boards) to bypass lawyers, that Insurance companies n' Doctors won't find away to buy them off? These are two smart pigs. If you do this, then you better come up with a system that recognizes this. You think it's easy to get patients what they are due without pigs fighting other pigs to get it? Don't be naive. There are three pigs at the trough. Get rid of one of them, and (of course) the other two eat his share. The only way this won't happen is with some very strong mechanism that can't be manipulated by these other two.

thing is, many doctors end up leaving private practice because the costs of medical malpractice becomes so cost prohibitive. my family doctor when i lived in md ended up going back to the e.r. rather than pay that. so not only do lawyers not want a change, i'd imagine whoever provides that insurance doesn't either. it's certainly not the only fix needed, but it can't hurt either. it's not a magic problem solver, but it's one of several underlying issues affecting the cost of health care.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...mostcommentart

yeah, i read that earlier. but i apparently 'don't pay attention'.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, i read that earlier. but i apparently 'don't pay attention'.

Exactly.. I read the same thing. I know Riots response though. "look at who wrote that. republican propaganda blah blah blah" then she'll say how she's a republican and Obama is not a liberal.

She gives liberals a bad name.