Summer Bird pointed for The BC

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

That is a fine question.

And something you should answer since you're the one who posted the surface argument in your attempts to undermine Rachel.

In addition, I don't agree in the correalation between grass being equal to synthetics when it comes to comparing Cigar to RA.

My argument is I believe dirt and poly should be synomonous or atleast closer than dirt/turf.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

In addition, I don't agree in the correalation between grass being equal to synthetics when it comes to comparing Cigar to RA.

My argument is I believe dirt and poly should be synomonous or atleast closer than dirt/turf.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

The point is why compare Cigar to RA in the 1st place when synthetic tracks were not around back then. Cigar didn't race well on turf, everyone knows the story, I am not suggesting RA race on turf, but as mentioned by another poster RA has won on poly, abeit it was not a significant win...but it was a win, then why the reluctance to race in the BC?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by CSC

The point is why compare Cigar to RA in the 1st place when synthetic tracks were not around back then. Cigar didn't race well on turf, everyone knows the story, I am not suggesting RA race on turf, but as mentioned by another poster RA has won on poly, abeit it was not a significant win...but it was a win, then why the reluctance to race in the BC?

Jackson loved Curlin thinks we was g-ds gift to racing. He watched his all time great lose on Pro Ride so he figures that he can't bear to watch Rachel lose on it. Plus he likes making grand statements and what better a time and place to get his message across..Of course , it is self serving and off color but it is his right to express himself. He ponied up the 6 to 10mil(u hear so many people who KNOW the price) Basically in comes down to this "in his club he can splash the pot whenever the FCUK he wants" (per TEDDY KGB in Rounders).

[CSC]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Jackson loved Curlin thinks we was g-ds gift to racing. He watched his all time great lose on Pro Ride so he figures that he can't bear to watch Rachel lose on it. Plus he likes making grand statements and what better a time and place to get his message across..Of course , it is self serving and off color but it is his right to express himself. He ponied up the 6 to 10mil(u hear so many people who KNOW the price) Basically in comes down to this "in his club he can splash the pot whenever the FCUK he wants" (per TEDDY KGB in Rounders).

I can understand why he would probably have bad memories from last year, whether one believes that Curlin didn't like pro ride or not, I thought Albarado moved on him far too early, racing as he were riding on dirt, it was no surprise he was caught late. Numbers wise it was about on par with a Curlin type race, I believe he was actually starting to lose it 2 races prior to the Classic that started with the turf experiment and the result would have been the same on pro ride or dirt.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by CSC

The point is why compare Cigar to RA in the 1st place when synthetic tracks were not around back then. Cigar didn't race well on turf, everyone knows the story, I am not suggesting RA race on turf, but as mentioned by another poster RA has won on poly, abeit it was not a significant win...but it was a win, then why the reluctance to race in the BC?

I'm sure they arent scared of running her in the BC.

The answer is really simple. The owner of said horse hates artificial surfaces. He calls them plastic in interviews. He did not want to run his superstar horse on plastic last year, gave in, and probably was not happy with the results. He doesnt want to run her on plastic.

I'd blame Rachel not being in the BC on the Breeders Cup idiots more than Jackson. If the race was at another track like Churchill, Gulfstream, Belmont, Oaklawn, the Fairgrounds, etc... I would be surprised if she DIDNT show up. She's not ducking out of the Breeders Cup.. its extremely obvious he is not afraid of runner her in ANY spot. her owner is taking a stand against plastic.. and I dont blame him.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm sure they arent scared of running her in the BC.

The answer is really simple. The owner of said horse hates artificial surfaces. He calls them plastic in interviews. He did not want to run his superstar horse on plastic last year, gave in, and probably was not happy with the results. He doesnt want to run her on plastic.

I'd blame Rachel not being in the BC on the Breeders Cup idiots more than Jackson. If the race was at another track like Churchill, Gulfstream, Belmont, Oaklawn, the Fairgrounds, etc... I would be surprised if she DIDNT show up. She's not ducking out of the Breeders Cup.. its extremely obvious he is not afraid of runner her in ANY spot. her owner is taking a stand against plastic.. and I dont blame him.

We'll just have to see how this shakes out after The Woodward, whether that's the Beldame or the JCGC or even the BC. As long as it is a race that can challenge her I'm for it.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by CSC

We'll just have to see how this shakes out after The Woodward, whether that's the Beldame or the JCGC or even the BC. As long as it is a race that can challenge her I'm for it.

This will be her 11th race in 11 months. If the filly comes back tired he should be under no obligation to run her again this year. If she comes back fine then I hope he runs her one more time.