Rachel Alexandra to Woodward

Cannon Shell · #1 08-25-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont think Bullsbay, Cool Coal Man, Macho Again, Asiatic Boy, Quality Road, Mine That Bird, Summer Bird, Warriors whatever, kensai, etc. scare Assman and jackson at all.

The Woodward is a joke w/out Rachel. But honestly would you really want to throw down big money on all the 3yo's listed, besides Quality Road maybe, beating the older horses listed?

Sure. Bullsbay, Cool Coal man, Macho Again and Asiatic boy have all been beaten with regularity their whole careers by mediocres. While running in the Woodward is a nice achievement it isnt exactly Holy Bull, Cigar and Skip Away lining up against her.

Revidere · #2 08-25-2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sure. Bullsbay, Cool Coal man, Macho Again and Asiatic boy have all been beaten with regularity their whole careers by mediocres. While running in the Woodward is a nice achievement it isnt exactly Holy Bull, Cigar and Skip Away lining up against her.

I guess it's similar to Personal Ensign beating males in the Whitney.

Gulch and Kings Swan

Cannon Shell · #3 08-25-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Revidere

I guess it's similar to Personal Ensign beating males in the Whitney.

Gulch and Kings Swan

Gulch and Kings Sawn would drown those mutts.

freddymo · #4 08-25-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Sure. Bullsbay, Cool Coal man, Macho Again and Asiatic boy have all been beaten with regularity their whole careers by mediocres. While running in the Woodward is a nice achievement it isnt exactly Holy Bull, Cigar and Skip Away lining up against her.

Giving Kensei a shot to win the second most important 3 year old race is reasonable. All the horses are going to duck her, now McLaughlin is looking for a home for his wanna be Handicap horse. The only reason Pletcher would even try and beat her with QR is because of the magnitude of the race. You think Pletcher wanted to try Munnings in Haskell?
BTW if he only paid 8 mil for Rachel he stole her. Ashado was 10mil and she couldn't have been within 10 lengths of Rachel on her best day.

parsixfarms · #5 08-25-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Giving Kensei a shot to win the second most important 3 year old race is reasonable. All the horses are going to duck her, now McLaughlin is looking for a home for his wanna be Handicap horse. The only reason Pletcher would even try and beat her with QR is because of the magnitude of the race. You think Pletcher wanted to try Munnings in Haskell?
BTW if he only paid 8 mil for Rachel he stole her. Ashado was 10mil and she couldn't have been within 10 lengths of Rachel on her best day.

Actually, yes. He needed a race between the Tom Fool and the King's Bishop, and if there was ever a track where Munnings could get a Grade I win going 9F (to help the Coolmore boys for stallion purposes), it would be Monmouth.

freddymo · #6 08-25-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Actually, yes. He needed a race between the Tom Fool and the King's Bishop, and if there was ever a track where Munnings could get a Grade I win going 9F (to help the Coolmore boys for stallion purposes), it would be Monmouth.

He had to know he was 30/1 to beat her and he certainly would have never tried it without the obvious direction from her owners..That colt needs 7f's or a one turn mile.. The Cigar Mile in November should be his swan song..

parsixfarms · #7 08-25-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

He had to know he was 30/1 to beat her and he certainly would have never tried it without the obvious direction from her owners..That colt needs 7f's or a one turn mile.. The Cigar Mile in November should be his swan song..

Let's hope not. Whether Munnings wins or loses the Cigar Mile, at that point of his career, he probably won't be in the "he's done enough" category.

Cannon Shell · #8 08-26-2009, 12:39 PM

[quote=freddymo]Giving Kensei a shot to win the second most important 3 year old race is reasonable. All the horses are going to duck her, now McLaughlin is looking for a home for his wanna be Handicap horse. The only reason Pletcher would even try and beat her with QR is because of the magnitude of the race. You think Pletcher wanted to try Munnings in Haskell?
BTW if he only paid 8 mil for Rachel he stole her. Ashado was 10mil and she couldn't have been within 10 lengths of Rachel on her best day.[/QUOTE]
Ashado was bought as a broodmare under far different conditions. Her value is immaterial because he wont sell her anyway.

freddymo · #9 08-26-2009, 06:10 PM

[quote=Cannon Shell]

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Giving Kensei a shot to win the second most important 3 year old race is reasonable. All the horses are going to duck her, now McLaughlin is looking for a home for his wanna be Handicap horse. The only reason Pletcher would even try and beat her with QR is because of the magnitude of the race. You think Pletcher wanted to try Munnings in Haskell?
BTW if he only paid 8 mil for Rachel he stole her. Ashado was 10mil and she couldn't have been within 10 lengths of Rachel on her best day.[/QUOTE]
Ashado was bought as a broodmare under far different conditions. Her value is immaterial because he wont sell her anyway.

Are you suggesting that 10 mil for a St B in foal to Indy (300k maybe?) isn't relative to a M'doro world class racing filly..What am I missing indy on top? lol

I forgot Curlin is in her future? Ok save reality for 1 second give me a fig she would sell for at Keeneland Mixed 10 in foal to Indy... 15 mil?

Cannon Shell · #10 08-26-2009, 10:21 PM

[quote=freddymo]

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Are you suggesting that 10 mil for a St B in foal to Indy (300k maybe?) isn't relative to a M'doro world class racing filly..What am I missing indy on top? lol

I forgot Curlin is in her future? Ok save reality for 1 second give me a fig she would sell for at Keeneland Mixed 10 in foal to Indy... 15 mil?

Who would she sell to? There is no market at that level. Maybe in theory she is worth more but the reality is that only one guy plays at that level and he apparently wasnt interested at 8 million. She cant earn the money on the track, she cant collect any stud fees.

freddymo · #11 08-27-2009, 05:02 PM

[quote=Cannon Shell][quote=freddymo]
Who would she sell to? There is no market at that level. Maybe in theory she is worth more but the reality is that only one guy plays at that level and he apparently wasnt interested at 8 million. She cant earn the money on the track, she cant collect any stud fees.

I understand the market is depressed.