Mattress Mack - 2 milly for Rachel/Zenyatta...AT SAM HOUSTON!!

MaTH716 · #1 08-11-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Left Bank

Well,numb nuts,for one,it's a neutral site.number two,the purse is an incentive to try and bring the two together,and three,it will settle once and for all the question everyone wants to know,and that is how easily Rachael will whoop this SoCal Lava Man impersonator!!!!

How will this settle everything? As much as I want to see them in a race together, this will settle nothing. You have a horse that wants to be near the front and the other one is a dead closer. Rachael will loaf on the lead and Zenyatta won't be able to get her. It's not cause Rachael is better (even though I think she is) it's about racing dynamics. Zenyatta just got up the other day in the last steps, do you honestly think that she will reel in Rachael after 24 48 fractions that she will set on an uncontested loose lead? Like I said it will settle nothing.

Left Bank · #2 08-11-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

How will this settle everything? As much as I want to see them in a race together, this will settle nothing. You have a horse that wants to be near the front and the other one is a dead closer. Rachael will loaf on the lead and Zenyatta won't be able to get her. It's not cause Rachael is better (even though I think she is) it's about racing dynamics. Zenyatta just got up the other day in the last steps, do you honestly think that she will reel in Rachael after 24 48 fractions that she will set on an uncontested loose lead? Like I said it will settle nothing.

I just explained to you what it will settle.

10 pnt move up · #3 08-11-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

How will this settle everything? As much as I want to see them in a race together, this will settle nothing. You have a horse that wants to be near the front and the other one is a dead closer. Rachael will loaf on the lead and Zenyatta won't be able to get her. It's not cause Rachael is better (even though I think she is) it's about racing dynamics. Zenyatta just got up the other day in the last steps, do you honestly think that she will reel in Rachael after 24 48 fractions that she will set on an uncontested loose lead? Like I said it will settle nothing.

but isnt that why E and EP types are better than closers as race horses, I have always felt that way. Just because Zenyatta has collapsed every pace scenario does not change that, she is a bit of a freak in that regard.

Sightseek · #4 08-11-2009, 01:52 PM

I wonder what horsey message boards would have been like during the Affirmed and Alydar TC season?

10 pnt move up · #5 08-11-2009, 02:00 PM

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I wonder what horsey message boards would have been like during the Affirmed and Alydar TC season?

one sided to Alydar...trust me

letswastemoney · #6 08-11-2009, 02:02 PM

No one is going to pass up a G1 race for this. The match race would have to be after the BC

Antitrust32 · #7 08-11-2009, 02:42 PM

I think they should have a 2 or 3 furlong sprint race for the two horses. they can just unleash their "final kick" and see who is truely faster..

Smooth Operator · #8 08-11-2009, 02:45 PM

Oh brother ... think it's about time for you to retire from the entire board, Antithrust32...

Thunder Gulch · #9 08-12-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

No one is going to pass up a G1 race for this. The match race would have to be after the BC

Don't know if I agree with that. Is Seabiscuit remembered more for the match race vs War Admiral, or for the string of stakes wins he ran off. How about the Swaps/Nashua race? Honestly I can't tell you off the top what either of them won other than the Triple Crown races. Ruffian v Foolish Pleasure is more remembered for it's tragic outcome, but still the point is that these types of events are so rare that they become part of the folklore of the game when compared to the winner of another race, Grade 1 or otherwise.

MaTH716 · #10 08-11-2009, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

but isnt that why E and EP types are better than closers as race horses, I have always felt that way. Just because Zenyatta has collapsed every pace scenario does not change that, she is a bit of a freak in that regard.

I personally think that Zenyatta is a very good horse. I thought she was beat on Sunday (a couple of times) and she battled, dug in and got up to win. As far as the pace scenarios that she has/has not gotten to close into, I just think that she is so much more talented than the horses she is is running against out there.