Zenyetta vs Racheal

NTamm1215 · #1 08-11-2009, 11:45 AM

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The complaining is not really coming from them, if you could quote something that shows that I would be interested in reading it.

You didn't read anything last year after the BC when they wanted HOTY over Curlin?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...-the-Year.aspx

"It's quite an accomplishment to go all year undefeated, and to step up each time, four of them in Grade 1, like she did," Shirreffs said of the 4-year-old filly, unbeaten in nine starts, seven of them this year. "In the vote, she would have to be seriously considered for that."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...rse&id=3665557

NT

10 pnt move up · #2 08-11-2009, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You didn't read anything last year after the BC when they wanted HOTY over Curlin?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...-the-Year.aspx

"It's quite an accomplishment to go all year undefeated, and to step up each time, four of them in Grade 1, like she did," Shirreffs said of the 4-year-old filly, unbeaten in nine starts, seven of them this year. "In the vote, she would have to be seriously considered for that."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...rse&id=3665557

NT

thats not a complaint, give me a break.

NTamm1215 · #3 08-11-2009, 11:56 AM

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thats not a complaint, give me a break.

Did you read that all I said was that they better not b.itch if they keep her on the same ridiculous schedule and don't win HOTY? That's a comment that can be made whether they've complained in the past or not.

NT

10 pnt move up · #4 08-11-2009, 12:04 PM

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Did you read that all I said was that they better not b.itch if they keep her on the same ridiculous schedule and don't win HOTY? That's a comment that can be made whether they've complained in the past or not.

NT

are you missing what i am saying....they are really past caring anymore, its gotten old to them. they will be happy with retiring unbeaten if they can get there with two BC championships and two eclipse's.

Danzig · #5 08-11-2009, 03:57 PM

like haskin said, not winning HOY did nothing to tarnish personal ensigns legacy-everyone knows she was a champ, and a perfect one at that.

as for rachel and the travers, i doubt QR, or any 3 yo for that matter, would be a compelling reason for the filly not to run. now, winning the woodward over older, and being the first filly EVER to win it-that would be yet another feather in rachels cap. if jackson thinks he has a shot to win both, he'll give it a try. anyone saying he's running scared with the best 3 yo in training is dreaming and has no concept of reality.

would love to see zenyatta in the pac classic. but i think they'd rather she stay unbeaten-i'd imagine they don't feel terribly confident after her narrow win on sunday as far as taking her out of her comfort zone. and that isn't a knock on her AT ALL.

10 pnt move up · #6 08-11-2009, 03:59 PM

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like haskin said, not winning HOY did nothing to tarnish personal ensigns legacy-everyone knows she was a champ, and a perfect one at that.

as for rachel and the travers, i doubt QR, or any 3 yo for that matter, would be a compelling reason for the filly not to run. now, winning the woodward over older, and being the first filly EVER to win it-that would be yet another feather in rachels cap. if jackson thinks he has a shot to win both, he'll give it a try. anyone saying he's running scared with the best 3 yo in training is dreaming and has no concept of reality.

would love to see zenyatta in the pac classic. but i think they'd rather she stay unbeaten-i'd imagine they don't feel terribly confident after her narrow win on sunday as far as taking her out of her comfort zone. and that isn't a knock on her AT ALL.

from what I understand Shirreffs hates the del mar track, I dont think he has run but 3-4 horses on the main this year and no two year olds. She wont run in the pacific classic from what I have been told.

Danzig · #7 08-11-2009, 05:57 PM

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from what I understand Shirreffs hates the del mar track, I dont think he has run but 3-4 horses on the main this year and no two year olds. She wont run in the pacific classic from what I have been told.

i thought i heard him say she liked del mar...but then, i think the chances of her facing males anywhere is between very, very slim and no chance at all.

parsixfarms · #8 08-11-2009, 04:01 PM

Maybe Shirreffs has visions of Manistique when he decides that he does want to ship Zenyatta outside of California.

RockHardTen1985 · #9 08-11-2009, 04:02 PM

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like haskin said, not winning HOY did nothing to tarnish personal ensigns legacy-everyone knows she was a champ, and a perfect one at that.

as for rachel and the travers, i doubt QR, or any 3 yo for that matter, would be a compelling reason for the filly not to run. now, winning the woodward over older, and being the first filly EVER to win it-that would be yet another feather in rachels cap. if jackson thinks he has a shot to win both, he'll give it a try. anyone saying he's running scared with the best 3 yo in training is dreaming and has no concept of reality.

would love to see zenyatta in the pac classic. but i think they'd rather she stay unbeaten-i'd imagine they don't feel terribly confident after her narrow win on sunday as far as taking her out of her comfort zone. and that isn't a knock on her AT ALL.

Quality Road is her only competition right now, who else can run with her ?

Danzig · #10 08-11-2009, 05:57 PM

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Quality Road is her only competition right now, who else can run with her ?

i don't know why quality road is thought of as competition-she's decimated the three year old colts, including some that had been highly thought of. i guess since she hasn't faced him, he somehow has achieved some stature....

Left Bank · #11 08-11-2009, 04:03 PM

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are you missing what i am saying....they are really past caring anymore, its gotten old to them. they will be happy with retiring unbeaten if they can get there with two BC championships and two eclipse's.

I don't think they are tired of it at all.Wednesday DRF,Shirreffs says"If they are going to decide HOTY,I would hope it would be settled at the Breeders cup.If it isn't,and we think we have the opportunity to win it,then we'll have to go travel after the breeders cup". DRF wed.aug 12,2009,page 3.

10 pnt move up · #12 08-11-2009, 04:10 PM

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I don't think they are tired of it at all.Wednesday DRF,Shirreffs says"If they are going to decide HOTY,I would hope it would be settled at the Breeders cup.If it isn't,and we think we have the opportunity to win it,then we'll have to go travel after the breeders cup". DRF wed.aug 12,2009,page 3.

they are tired of all the questions, negative articles, trashing of the horse........trust me on this, that is not an opinion.

Antitrust32 · #13 08-11-2009, 04:25 PM

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they are tired of all the questions, negative articles, trashing of the horse........trust me on this, that is not an opinion.

I dont think anyone trashes the horse... just the owner/trainer for being chickens.

Danzig · #14 08-11-2009, 05:58 PM

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they are tired of all the questions, negative articles, trashing of the horse........trust me on this, that is not an opinion.

i don't think there have been negatives, and i certainly haven't seen any 'trashing' of her anywhere. to trash either of the two is absolutely ridiculous.

#15 08-12-2009, 08:57 AM

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they are tired of all the questions, negative articles, trashing of the horse........trust me on this, that is not an opinion.

They really are two old women with self-esteem issues. They don't belong in this sport. Hopefully the next negative article will force them out of the game and the next horse they would of had goes to some connections who like a challenge and who actually care about the competitive and sporting aspect of it.

10 pnt move up · #16 08-11-2009, 04:11 PM

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I don't think they are tired of it at all.Wednesday DRF,Shirreffs says"If they are going to decide HOTY,I would hope it would be settled at the Breeders cup.If it isn't,and we think we have the opportunity to win it,then we'll have to go travel after the breeders cup". DRF wed.aug 12,2009,page 3.

and if everything goes right they have said they would be willing to run after the breeders cup for the last two months, this is nothing new.

kgar311 · #17 08-11-2009, 04:48 PM

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are you missing what i am saying....they are really past caring anymore, its gotten old to them. they will be happy with retiring unbeaten if they can get there with two BC championships and two eclipse's.

What will happen if she gets beat? Will her stud value go down

SniperSB23 · #18 08-11-2009, 04:55 PM

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What will happen if she gets beat? Will her stud value go down

That is the most funny part of this all. There is very little detriment to the stud value of a colt that gets beat and the whole idea that a filly that gets beat is going to loose breeding value is even more ridiculous. The whole attitude that a loss will hurt you so bad is what is killing the sport. And I'm sure part of it comes from owners moving their horses to a new trainer off a loss. Can you imagine if the Yankees only showed up to games they felt confident they would win cause their prestige would drop with every loss and the manager would be replaced? Baseball would become a joke. But that is essentially what we have in racing today.

10 pnt move up · #19 08-11-2009, 05:05 PM

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That is the most funny part of this all. There is very little detriment to the stud value of a colt that gets beat and the whole idea that a filly that gets beat is going to loose breeding value is even more ridiculous. The whole attitude that a loss will hurt you so bad is what is killing the sport. And I'm sure part of it comes from owners moving their horses to a new trainer off a loss. Can you imagine if the Yankees only showed up to games they felt confident they would win cause their prestige would drop with every loss and the manager would be replaced? Baseball would become a joke. But that is essentially what we have in racing today.

Can you imagine if the bears did not show up for the super bowl because they did not like astroturf? (I believe that was John Gaines' original quote, a day for racing that would be like the super bowl).

10 pnt move up · #20 08-11-2009, 05:04 PM

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What will happen if she gets beat? Will her stud value go down

I was speaking as far as a career record and accomplishment, but I think you new that before hitting the post button.