Cocoa Beach Had To Come Down

[joeydb]

I didn't see it, but I heard the coverage on Steve's show. It would have made my day as I had the place horse to win on an exacta and trifecta at nice odds.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

If Dee Tee owned her instead of GODolphin, she would have came down.

But they never would have got us out of the winner's circle.

[PatCummings]

And why do the stewards care more about Godolphin horses than any other? Foolish logic. How many of you on here have had conversations with stewards, ever?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

And why do the stewards care more about Godolphin horses than any other? Foolish logic. How many of you on here have had conversations with stewards, ever?

Love it when people pull the "talk to the stewards" rank game...As if a fan can't watch a race and have an opinion on whether an infraction was made. You're silly indeed....Open question on the connections, about 3 years ago, a Shug horse had to be taken down to a Goldberg horse in an allowance sprint. It wasn't even close. He stayed up. Always seems to be connections make a difference.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Love it when people pull the "talk to the stewards" rank game...As if a fan can't watch a race and have an opinion on whether an infraction was made. You're silly indeed....Open question on the connections, about 3 years ago, a Shug horse had to be taken down to a Goldberg horse in an allowance sprint. It wasn't even close. He stayed up. Always seems to be connections make a difference.

And I love it when people pull the "so and so owns a horse and the stewards LOVE them, so there's no way they take that horse down..."

I'm not suggesting you talk to the stewards about the incident, just wondering if you have ever been privy to a discussion with a steward about any DQ and things they look for.

In a takedown, there is always a winner and always a loser - for connections and bettors. It is patently absurd to think the stewards play favorites to owners...where would it end?

Phipps
IEAH
Shadwell
Godolphin
Barry Schwartz
Repole
Winning Move
Karakorum

All that having been said, I believe racing jurisdictions should require stewards to explain the rationale for their decisions as is done...oh...everywhere ELSE in the horse racing world save the US and Canada.

[CSC]

The precedent has been set let's just hope they remain consistent the entire meet. Evidence CV's ride on City Sneakers today.

[Gander]

If Cocoa Beach got taken down, that would have set a bad precedent for turf racing, especially in bug fields. Bumping and shifting in happens all the time and if she were to have come down, you could easily make a case for about 1/3rd of all turf races run with big fields. Horses losing momentum happens all the time in this type of race.

I think a better case could have been made if it happened closer to the line and there werent another horse who came in on Cocoa Beach setting a chain reaction.

A similar type inquiry happened last summer with Frankel's Country Star winning by a very small margin in a race on the turf. There was a claim of foul against her, and she didnt come down. The incident happened right before the wire and a good case could have been made for her to come down, but it was after all a heavy favorite trained by a very popular trainer. I cant believe people dont think who the horse is trained by/owned by has nothing to do with the decision.

How about Todd Pletcher's Miss Catalyst not coming down in the 1st on Sunday? That was about as textbook as a DQ can get.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Gander

If Cocoa Beach got taken down, that would have set a bad precedent for turf racing, especially in bug fields. Bumping and shifting in happens all the time and if she were to have come down, you could easily make a case for about 1/3rd of all turf races run with big fields. Horses losing momentum happens all the time in this type of race.

I think a better case could have been made if it happened closer to the line and there werent another horse who came in on Cocoa Beach setting a chain reaction.

A similar type inquiry happened last summer with Frankel's Country Star winning by a very small margin in a race on the turf. There was a claim of foul against her, and she didnt come down. The incident happened right before the wire and a good case could have been made for her to come down, but it was after all a heavy favorite trained by a very popular trainer. I cant believe people dont think who the horse is trained by/owned by has nothing to do with the decision.

How about Todd Pletcher's Miss Catalyst not coming down in the 1st on Sunday? That was about as textbook as a DQ can get.

timmy that's non-sense , they took down Harlem Rocker in nov against Talk of Ekati , there was a similar infraction a few week later and the horse stayed up. The only thing consistent about the NYRA stewards is their in-consistency

[Gander]

Originally Posted by gales0678

timmy that's non-sense , they took down Harlem Rocker in nov against Talk of Ekati , there was a similar infraction a few week later and the horse stayed up. The only thing consistent about the NYRA stewards is their in-consistency

Thats true, and I couldnt have said it better myself.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Gander

A similar type inquiry happened last summer with Frankel's Country Star winning by a very small margin in a race on the turf. There was a claim of foul against her, and she didnt come down.

I remember that one and it bothered me because of the inconsistency of the stewards. I can't remember the exact call prior to this race but needless to say I was on the wrong end of both calls and at the time remembering why they didn't remain consistent. As a horseplayer that's all you want, a reasonable explanation and more importantly consistent decision making.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by gales0678

timmy that's non-sense , they took down Harlem Rocker in nov against Talk of Ekati , there was a similar infraction a few week later and the horse stayed up. The only thing consistent about the NYRA stewards is their in-consistency

You guys are starting to open old wounds ...<sigh>

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

if jerry bailey was on the 3 the 2 would have come down. in the day..but it was a good no call..the 2 was best..i needed the 3 and did not feel cheated..id rather they take out the real killers than the small brushes..

[Gander]

Originally Posted by CSC

I remember that one and it bothered me because of the inconsistency of the stewards. I can't remember the exact call prior to this race but needless to say I was on the wrong end of both calls and at the time remembering why they didn't remain consistent. As a horseplayer that's all you want, a reasonable explanation and more importantly consistent decision making.

I actually needed the heavily favored Country Star to stay up that day for a pick 3, but I was with a friend who badly needed that 2nd place horse. We were by the winner''s circle and were able to watch the jockeys state their cases. I thought for sure she was coming down.

Usually I am on the wrong end of inquiry's/DQs. Most notably and painfully in the Arlington Million the "first time" Powerscourt won, but was controversially taken down. Cost me a ton, and then I had to endure a dinner with friends, who have no clue how much I bet or had riding on that result.

[CSC]

Which begs the question when the 1st DQ (I'm assuming there hasn't been one yet)comes this meet and it will come, I'm wondering just what type of call it will be. I'm all for consistency, it's when the selective dq that comes out of left field happens that is when it really bothers me.

I'm okay with Cocoa Beach staying up given there has been no precedent set this meet, trust me I lost a few with the non call but given the context of the rules it would have been a tough call to make. Now if another horse gets into the same position and fouls a horse in an identical way later in the meet and is taken down then I think the Stewards should be made to explain themselves. You just can't selectively decide to push the DQ button whenever you please, whether it's a high profile race or a 20K claimer. Hope it doesn't happen but I have little faith given their history.