Cocoa Beach Had To Come Down

randallscott35 · #1 08-05-2009, 04:11 PM

I had nothing on the race but if you come over and literally slam into another horse and squeeze them back, you come down.

If the horse isn't 3/4 or Dubai connections does the horse come down?

RockHardTen1985 · #2 08-05-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

I had nothing on the race but if you come over and literally slam into another horse and squeeze them back, you come down.

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Gander · #3 08-05-2009, 04:15 PM

The call of the race was pretty bad. He never picked up that horse on the inside (My Baby Baby).

Gauchos0522 · #4 08-05-2009, 04:15 PM

If you watch the head on the incident occurs right when the shot goes from behind the field on the turn to the stretch shot so its tough to get a really good look at it. Although she was lugging coming into the lane it looked like the horse inside her was coming out a bit as well. She was best anyway so the call was probably right though she still didn't look nearly like the horse she was last year.

randallscott35 · #5 08-05-2009, 04:17 PM

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If you watch the head on the incident occurs right when the shot goes from behind the field on the turn to the stretch shot so its tough to get a really good look at it. Although she was lugging coming into the lane it looked like the horse inside her was coming out a bit as well. She was best anyway so the call was probably right though she still didn't look nearly like the horse she was last year.

Nonsense, she literally took as hard a left turn into the 10 as you could take. That wasn't even close. The problem here is there seems to be no rhyme or reason to DQs anymore.

gales0678 · #6 08-05-2009, 04:21 PM

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Nonsense, she literally took as hard a left turn into the 10 as you could take. That wasn't even close. The problem here is there seems to be no rhyme or reason to DQs anymore.

it depends in ny if the stewards like you or not randall , if they like you , you stay up , if they don't , well then you com down

I seen horses stay up that had no business or did far worse than what Harlem Rocker did to Talk of Ekati last year at the Big A , but, because it was TP the horse comes down with no explanation

Gander · #7 08-05-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

it depends in ny if the stewards like you or not randall , if they like you , you stay up , if they don't , well then you com down

I seen horses stay up that had no business or did far worse than what Harlem Rocker did to Talk of Ekati last year at the Big A , but, because it was TP the horse comes down with no explanation

You dont think it has anything to do with who they bet in the race?

gales0678 · #8 08-05-2009, 04:24 PM

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You dont think it has anything to do with who they bet in the race?

stewards are not allowed to bet

Gander · #9 08-05-2009, 04:25 PM

I dont think that was as bad as Miss catalyst who won Sunday's 1st race. She should have been taken down. Nate and I were at the bar watching that and I said to him I bet you $100 that horse comes down. Luckily for me he didnt take the bet.

declansharbor · #10 08-05-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gales0678

it depends in ny if the stewards like you or not randall , if they like you , you stay up , if they don't , well then you com down

I seen horses stay up that had no business or did far worse than what Harlem Rocker did to Talk of Ekati last year at the Big A , but, because it was TP the horse comes down with no explanation

I would have flipped had they taken down the 8 (from 2nd place) in the 1st.

I havent seen this race in question, but your right. It seems it's who you are that dictates whether you move or not.

RockHardTen1985 · #11 08-05-2009, 04:57 PM

I needed her to come down.

randallscott35 · #12 08-05-2009, 05:17 PM

"Mettee, who didn't wait around for the win photo, said he was concerned about being disqualified "a little bit because it was pretty obvious she did shift in. Ramon was pretty confident because he said it looked a little worse than it really was."

---I guess so.

SOREHOOF · #13 08-05-2009, 05:41 PM

That's racing, sometimes. N.Y. stewards don't take them down very often. Didn't look that bad to me.

VOL JACK · #14 08-05-2009, 08:17 PM

If Dee Tee owned her instead of GODolphin, she would have came down.

NTamm1215 · #15 08-05-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

"Mettee, who didn't wait around for the win photo, said he was concerned about being disqualified "a little bit because it was pretty obvious she did shift in. Ramon was pretty confident because he said it looked a little worse than it really was."

---I guess so.

Clearly Mettee is as good as watching horse races as he is at managing the Godolphin Stable.

Disqualifying Cocoa Beach today would have been one of the worst decisions the stews in NY have made in years. The supposed contact stemmed from an inside move by My Baby Baby off the rail turning for home. The appearance of Cocoa Beach coming in was more the horses to her inside being forced out.

NT

Duvalier · #16 08-05-2009, 09:03 PM

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Clearly Mettee is as good as watching horse races as he is at managing the Godolphin Stable.

Disqualifying Cocoa Beach today would have been one of the worst decisions the stews in NY have made in years. The supposed contact, that Albarado claimed foul about, stemmed from his moving My Baby Baby off the rail turning for home. The appearance of Cocoa Beach coming in was more the horses to her inside being forced out.

I think Albarado should be fined for a frivolous objection as the contact at the top of the stretch was completely initiated by his move on My Baby Baby.

NT

Nick...pretty sure it was Lezcano on the 10 who claimed foul against both Dominguez and Albarado.

NTamm1215 · #17 08-05-2009, 09:04 PM

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Nick...pretty sure it was Lezcano on the 10 who claimed foul against both Dominguez and Albarado.

Ah, OK. My mistake.

Thanks!

NT

randallscott35 · #18 08-05-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Clearly Mettee is as good as watching horse races as he is at managing the Godolphin Stable.

Disqualifying Cocoa Beach today would have been one of the worst decisions the stews in NY have made in years. The supposed contact stemmed from an inside move by My Baby Baby off the rail turning for home. The appearance of Cocoa Beach coming in was more the horses to her inside being forced out.

NT

Agree to disagree. I have yet to see any angle that gives credence to this theory.

the_fat_man · #19 08-05-2009, 09:33 PM

Kudos to the NYRA stewards. If this were CALI, they'd take down half the field.

I think the point where the horses enter the stretch, especially on the turf, needs to be treated similarly to the break. Typically, they're bunched and they have momentum from the turn and its difficult to keep them straight. Factor in early lead changes, and many of them are all over the place.

Here's the point: there's the length of the stretch for horses to recover from minor incidents. If they do so, they deserve to win. If they don't, they probably wouldn't have won anyway. If a horse gets shut off because it's been behind, sucking up, the entire race, TOUGH!! Those are the breaks. The jocks need to figure out how to work their way through traffic -- it's not like they've done any running to that point anyway, typically.

I'm all for just letting them ride/run at this point and taking my chances with my jockey RATHER than the stewards. Last thing horseplayers need at this point is MORE takedowns.

docicu3 · #20 08-05-2009, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Kudos to the NYRA stewards. If this were CALI, they'd take down half the field.

I think the point where the horses enter the stretch, especially on the turf, needs to be treated similarly to the break. Typically, they're bunched and they have momentum from the turn and its difficult to keep them straight. Factor in early lead changes, and many of them are all over the place.

Here's the point: there's the length of the stretch for horses to recover from minor incidents. If they do so, they deserve to win. If they don't, they probably wouldn't have won anyway. If a horse gets shut off because it's been behind, sucking up, the entire race, TOUGH!! Those are the breaks. The jocks need to figure out how to work their way through traffic -- it's not like they've done any running to that point anyway, typically.

I'm all for just letting them ride/run at this point and taking my chances with my jockey RATHER than the stewards. Last thing horseplayers need at this point is MORE takedowns.

Complete garbage on this one.....

If you smack a horse earlier than the stretch and it is clearly a foul that robs a horse of momentum and "energy" to run for lack of a clearer term and the offending horse finishes ahead of the horse fouled. With the vague exception of a gate foul he comes DOWN. No more BS....the last thing horse players need is more races ruined by excuses for why a foul does not factor into a placing...enough of these damn excuses based on California decisions. Just call the race fairly and stop worrying about how many times and what damn circuit is involved. Maiden or stakes, turf or dirt a damn foul is a foul...