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Old 07-31-2009, 11:27 AM
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What do you guys think?
ESPN was coming down really hard on the Red Sox teams that won the WS in 2004 & 2007. Saying an asterisk should be applied.
Then Mike and Mike came on and said if thats the case there will be lots of asterisks. So where do you draw the line?

Clemens was a huge part in the Yankees 99 & 00 WS wins. Pettite pitched for them in all 4 WS wins. The A's won in 89 with Giambi & Canseco, the big bang brothers. What about the rest of the names not yet come out? Can they be players who played vital roles in team's championship runs?

Should it only be the Red Sox and nobody else? Isnt that kind of unfair and hypocritical?

-A very disgusted baseball fan
Like you said..where do you start..or stop..

All I know is that Frank Thomas better get in the HOF and Giambi should forfeit his MVP trophy to him.
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:40 AM
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Like you said..where do you start..or stop..

All I know is that Frank Thomas better get in the HOF and Giambi should forfeit his MVP trophy to him.
Frank Thomas will get into the HOF, you normally don't hear his name because he has been that big since he was 12
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:52 AM
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Frank Thomas will get into the HOF, you normally don't hear his name because he has been that big since he was 12

i saw the unofficial full list of the 103 players... its on roto.. and Thomas was NOT on it. neither was Jim Thome


lots of bosox and lots of cubbies are on the list though. including Pedro.
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:35 PM
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Post the link if you can. I can't find that ROTO link.
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:41 PM
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Post the link if you can. I can't find that ROTO link.

I copied the players and emailed them to my dad yesterday here is the list..

1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez (Confirmed NY Times)
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz (Confirmed NY Times)
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez (Confirmed Selena Roberts)
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa (Confirmed NY Times)
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:49 PM
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since it can be argued that every team had using players-how much of an edge did the bosox really enjoy?

i still think it stinks that they used, but it seems a level playing field considering.
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:55 PM
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since it can be argued that every team had using players-how much of an edge did the bosox really enjoy?

i still think it stinks that they used, but it seems a level playing field considering.

I just want to point out that there is only one Phillie on the list.. Bobby Abreu (obvious roider). and the only current Phil on the list is the former BoSox cy young winner...

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Old 07-31-2009, 12:57 PM
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I copied the players and emailed them to my dad yesterday here is the list..

1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez (Confirmed NY Times)
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz (Confirmed NY Times)
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez (Confirmed Selena Roberts)
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa (Confirmed NY Times)
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews
Little surprised to see Shawn Green on there, but I would imagine Lo Duca was pimping it pretty hard to most anybody.
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:01 PM
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Little surprised to see Shawn Green on there, but I would imagine Lo Duca was pimping it pretty hard to most anybody.
I'm not surprised by Green. Only one I'm even slightly surprised by is Robbie Alomar.
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Old 07-31-2009, 03:22 PM
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Like you said..where do you start..or stop..

All I know is that Frank Thomas better get in the HOF and Giambi should forfeit his MVP trophy to him.
Frank Thomas will get in the Hall of Fame and Giambi wont. At least he gets that.
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