8/1 (MNR): West Virginia Derby (G2)

[Gander]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

What do you guys expect? There are three big money races all on the same weekend (WV Derby, Jim Dandy, Haskell). Racing does this to itself. I'll warn you now not to expect all of the top performers from these races to meet in the Travers. A couple will defect to the Penn Derby nine days later and I wouldn't be surprised to see Summer Bird go home for the Super Derby. Cannibalism at it's best.

The Travers use to be all that and a bowl of Raisin Bran. Not anymore. The last few runnings have left a lot to be desired and its no longer that special race we look forward to all meet. It just took me a few seconds to remember who even won this event last year.

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Originally Posted by Gander

The Travers use to be all that and a bowl of Raisin Bran. Not anymore. The last few runnings have left a lot to be desired and its no longer that special race we look forward to all meet. It just took me a few seconds to remember who even won this event last year.

How can you say that after the great synthetic horse Colonel John won the race last year, blasphemy.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Gander

The Travers use to be all that and a bowl of Raisin Bran. Not anymore. The last few runnings have left a lot to be desired and its no longer that special race we look forward to all meet. It just took me a few seconds to remember who even won this event last year.

MTH has sweetened the pot to get the marquis horses. They pay out a good chunk just for them showing up. I think Toga is counting on its rep to get the big names and it hasn't worked out really.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

MTH has sweetened the pot to get the marquis horses. They pay out a good chunk just for them showing up. I think Toga is counting on its rep to get the big names and it hasn't worked out really.

It's kinda hard to get top horses when their are no top horses, or at the very least a very shallow puddle of them.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

It's kinda hard to get top horses when their are no top horses, or at the very least a very shallow puddle of them.

Agreed, but over the last few years the Haskell has gotten the best of the lemon orchards. I did say "marquis horses" and "big names" Never "top horses". There aren't any of those, except for Einstein.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Agreed, but over the last few years the Haskell has gotten the best of the lemon orchards. I did say "marquis horses" and "big names" Never "top horses". There aren't any of those, except for Einstein.

You mean like Bernardini, Street Sense, and Flower Alley?

[Clip-Clop]

Was thinking more like Curlin, Hard Spun, Big Brown and Rachel. But those three turned out to be OK too.

[letswastemoney]

Are we sure there's no pace? I don't recognize any of these horses except for Big Drama and Mine That Bird....so you're all familiar with how a horse like...ummm...Sunday Sunrise likes to run?

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

Are we sure there's no pace? I don't recognize any of these horses except for Big Drama and Mine That Bird....so you're all familiar with how a horse like...ummm...Sunday Sunrise likes to run?

the pp's are not enough?

[eajinabi]

Short crappy field in W. Virginia and a short crappy also rans in the Haskell and people say So Cal racing is dying. At least 13 horse fields shows up in So. Cal big races which makes a bigger and better wagering opputunity.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

Short crappy field in W. Virginia and a short crappy also rans in the Haskell and people say So Cal racing is dying. At least 13 horse fields shows up in So. Cal big races which makes a bigger and better wagering opputunity.

I disagree.

The Haskell came up ok. Munnings could be the best sprinter in the country and has not had a real chance to stretch out yet. Atomic Rain is a solid horse for the course, and Summer Bird won The Belmont.

Cal racing is also ran on plastic, and I'm thinking eventually that could ruin racing. I would rather bet dirt and turf, then any large field synthetic race.

As for the WV Derby, what can you really expect? When does that race ever come up big? The Derby Winner is no slouch either.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I disagree.

The Haskell came up ok. Munnings could be the best sprinter in the country and has not had a real chance to stretch out yet. Atomic Rain is a solid horse for the course, and Summer Bird won The Belmont.

Cal racing is also ran on plastic, and I'm thinking eventually that could ruin racing. I would rather bet dirt and turf, then any large field synthetic race.

As for the WV Derby, what can you really expect ? When does that race ever come up big ? The Derby Winner is no slouch either.

Kudos to whoever this is, esp with the space between word and question mark. Couldnt be doing it any better myself. Classic stuff.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I disagree.

The Haskell came up ok. Munnings could be the best sprinter in the country and has not had a real chance to stretch out yet. Atomic Rain is a solid horse for the course, and Summer Bird won The Belmont.

Cal racing is also ran on plastic, and I'm thinking eventually that could ruin racing. I would rather bet dirt and turf, then any large field synthetic race.

As for the WV Derby, what can you really expect? When does that race ever come up big? The Derby Winner is no slouch either.

Well if you are just a mere spectator of the sport then I would agree with you but most of us are bettors and the haskell and the W. Virginia is a pass for me betting wise. Ya, So Cal doesnt have super stars as much but the G1s are sure great to handicap. Why would tracks care about field size and good betting races. Oh I forget, the purses are subsidized from the profits of the concession stands.

Why would three different tracks on the east coast card three different 3yo graded stakes races on the same day (weekend)???? Thats why you get watered down fields instead of having RA, MTB, Summer Bird, Munnings, Wariors Reward, and Charitable Man in the same race.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

MTH has sweetened the pot to get the marquis horses.

No titled horses in this race. The word you are grasping for is 'marquee', as in a theater marquee (that thing out front, where they put the names of the play/film and the lead actors).

Sorry, I occasionally channel my great-aunt, the old maid high school English teacher. I can't help it; she takes over.

[Bobby Fischer]

Monty's Best has a chance to upset here.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Monty's Best has a chance to upset here.

http://www.drf.com/drfNewsArticle.do?NID=105946

Are you Byron King ?

[chucklestheclown]

I forgot what I was going to say. I am listening to tvg and this guy trying to make a case for Cocoa Beach. GRL.
PPs???priceless.
Nice run by Hot Dixie Chick. VERY nice.