Henry Gates Jr. some simple rules to follow

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

but he did use those words.

and so he apologized.

what am i missing here? is he supposed to use special presidential wizard powers to go back in time to not say the words he's now apologising for. what's your point?

he f'd up. no doubt.

he admits it and issued an apology. in public and directly to the officer in a phone call. no waiting.

would it be clearer if he had a large "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!" banner?

My point was two-fold. My first point was that his original remarks were way off-base. We both agree about that, so there is no argument there. My second point was that I thought his apology was sort of a luke-warm apology. He should have said, "I f'd up. I apologize." Instead he gave one of those apologies where he acts like his orginal words were misconstrued. His original words were not misconstrued. He said the wrong thing. He f'd up. That was my only beef with his apology. At least he apologized. I give him credit for that.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He apologized for two reasons.

1.) Because he's a politican

2.) Because people are morons.

I wonder why the charges were dropped so fast.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He apologized for two reasons.

1.) Because he's a politican

2.) Because people are morons.

I wonder why the charges were dropped so fast.

If the police are called to a scene for any reason, if you are ranting and raving at them and won't calm down, there is a good chance you are going to get arrested, even if you're on your own property.

This whole incident would have been avoided if this professor would have behaved like a normal person and just showed his identification.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If the police are called to a scene for any reason, if you are ranting and raving at them and won't calm down, there is a good chance you are going to get arrested, even if you're on your own property.

This whole incident would have been avoided if this professor would have behaved like a normal person and just showed his identification.

I agree.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I agree.

It's supposed to be a free country... it's not when an individual doesn't have a right to protest on private property.

Cops get people who brown nose them and even give them free stuff just for being cops ... but when they have their feelings hurt the bad ones forget they have a job.. and its to enforce the law and not punish the rude.

They act like they're basketball refs giving technical fouls or something. That disorderly conduct charge wouldn't have had a chance in hell standing up in court.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's supposed to be a free country... it's not when an individual doesn't have a right to protest on private property.

Cops get people who brown nose them and even give them free stuff just for being cops ... but when they have their feelings hurt the bad ones forget they have a job.. and its to enforce the law and not punish the rude.

They act like they're basketball refs giving technical fouls or something. That disorderly conduct charge wouldn't have had a chance in hell standing up in court.

Dude give me a break. He asked to see ID and the guy said something about his mother. The professor is a dick.

[Antitrust32]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/...tes/index.html

this is a great commentary.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Dude give me a break. He asked to see ID and the guy said something about his mother. The professor is a dick.

Being a dick is not a crime.

The next time I go on someone else's property, and they are dicks to me, should I try and stage a citizens arrest of them?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

If the police are called to a scene for any reason, if you are ranting and raving at them and won't calm down, there is a good chance you are going to get arrested, even if you're on your own property.

This whole incident would have been avoided if this professor would have behaved like a normal person and just showed his identification.

I'm glad the professor made a big deal of this... because its a huge deal and its not talked about enough in this country.

If you put yourself in his shoes.. you would be extremely pissed too. History had proved that the professor is the good guy in this thing.. not the bad guy.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm glad the professor made a big deal of this... because its a huge deal and its not talked about enough in this country.

If you put yourself in his shoes.. you would be extremely pissed too. History had proved that the professor is the good guy in this thing.. not the bad guy.

Amazing that this "racist country" through and through elected a black president.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Amazing that this "racist country" through and through elected a black president.

If you dont think its a big deal maybe you just havent taken the time to witness it.. I have many times and i'm sure I will many more times.

My friend in college was repeatedly stopped walking down the street and thrown against a car and searched for no reason... heard a million stories like this.

My best friend in Ocala was pulled over 6 times in one month.. one time his mom was driving and the cops even said "hey this isnt your car". He doesnt even drive recklessly at all! I had a cop follow me for 5 miles, and was going about 15 over the speed limit (didnt see the cop behind me). I didnt get pulled over.. its a 100% sure thing I would have had I been the "wrong" skin color.

The worst was my white friend driving with a black guy in the passenger seat. They were pulled over and a dog was in the car. The black guy had nothing bad on him.. but the cops clapped when the dog was near the black guy so the dog sat down.. and they said they had the right to search him because he obviously was doing something illegal.. of course he had nothing all along, & my white friend actually had some pot in her pocket! But that didnt matter cause she's white!

Its not like white people have a very good history when it comes to the treatment of black people. Things are much better than they used to be but racism is still a huge problem. If you choose to not believe that or ignore it that's up to you. I know its true through personal experiences.

the election of Barak Obama doesnt change things.. was a great accomplishment (I just wish the first black guy elected wasnt so darn liberal.. wish he was a libertarian or republican.. but thats another subject) but things have a long way to go.

Eric Holder was very correct when he said as a country, we are cowards when it comes to this subject. Unfortunatly that hurt white people's feelings! Oh well, the truth hurts!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Amazing that this "racist country" through and through elected a black president.

'Twas a perfect storm. Winning Indiana was due to Scuds needing a Republican to win that state(for $2k, I couldn't pull that off...fkn pathetic.) Would of been turning $50 into $2k, but I could not get those fkn Goobers to vote for Goober. Couldn't even get Goober to make a campaign stop there. He sent da Hildabeast, but he was too busy wasting his efforts trying to win Pennsylvania(Hildabeast had a kid while well over forty, and she is still smarter.)

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm glad the professor made a big deal of this... because its a huge deal and its not talked about enough in this country.

If you put yourself in his shoes.. you would be extremely pissed too. History had proved that the professor is the good guy in this thing.. not the bad guy.

I have no idea what you are talking about. What was the professor mad about? If I'm trying to break into my own house (or even my own car if I locked the keys inside) and the cops come up to me and ask me what I'm doing, I'm not going to start ranting and raving. I'm not going to be angry at them. I'm going to tell them that this is my house (or car) and show them my identification.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I have no idea what you are talking about. What was the professor mad about? If I'm trying to break into my own house (or even my own car if I locked the keys inside) and the cops come up to me and ask me what I'm doing, I'm not going to start ranting and raving. I'm not going to be angry at them. I'm going to tell them that this is my house (or car) and show them my identification.

a lot of people have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to this.

thats fine, but it doesnt help the problem.

Do you think racial profilling does not occur?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

a lot of people have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to this.

thats fine, but it doesnt help the problem.

Do you think racial profilling does not occur?

Of course racial profiling occurs. But this case has nothing to do with racial profiling. This was not a case of some black guy getting pulled over for the color of his skin.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

a lot of people have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to this.

thats fine, but it doesnt help the problem.

Do you think racial profilling does not occur?

Is there any evidence in this particular case that the professor was treated differently because of his race? If you have some evidence that that is the case, I would like to hear it.

The officer who arrested the professor has been a cop for around 20 years. If this officer has a racial bias, I'm sure it would have come out a long time ago. If he has a racial bias, I doubt that this is the first time that he mistreated a minority. Yet nobody has come out and said that this officer has ever shown any type of racial bias. It is actually just the opposite. This officer has an impeccable reputation. There are bad cops out there, but this guy does not appear to be one of them.

So what evidence do you have that the professor was treated differently due to his race?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I have no idea what you are talking about. What was the professor mad about? If I'm trying to break into my own house (or even my own car if I locked the keys inside) and the cops come up to me and ask me what I'm doing, I'm not going to start ranting and raving. I'm not going to be angry at them. I'm going to tell them that this is my house (or car) and show them my identification.

While sitting in a parked car(not breaking any laws,) how many times have you been approached by police? I don't know how many times it's happened to me, but (I do know) it's only happened when someone Black was with me. So, they are being stopped more (than whites) when they are doing nothing wrong. This takes a toll on them. So, I think it's a lot easier (in the circumstances involved in this case) for whites to "be quiet," and do what the cop says. Unless you've been in their shoes, you don't know how much anger you would feel to (once again) be bothered while being innocent of any crimes. This does not excuse the guy verbally abusing the cop, but it's a major factor involved. I think the question involved here is does a cop get to take someone into jail for simply running their mouth off while in their own home. That's the question. Yes, it is a question that involves race(since most running their mouths are gunna be Blacks who have been stopped while innocent...a lot.) Why can't they just give out some sort of citation, or warning? Why does verbal abuse against a cop(in a citizen's own home) have to result in physically taking a suspect into jail? Regardless, I think (whenever possible )you should not be arrested by the one you're accused of breaking the law against. That just encourages cops to dish out their own personal revenge. If they want to take someone in for running their mouths off at a cop(while in their own home,) then at least have another set of cops(who aren't verbally abused by him) take him in.

[Antitrust32]

Some white people close there eyes and believe racial profiling is made up. I happen to think its one of the worst problems with this country, if not the worst. I'm white & have a ton black friends from different area's of the country. Its crazy what they have had to deal with from cops that what I have (which is nothing).

You really can get pulled over for "driving while black". It happens every second in this country and its very embarrassing. You can get harrassed and searched just for walking down the darn street... I've never seen that happen to a white person though! And now apparantly you can get in trouble if you are black and your house proves you make a good living.

Its disgusting, and if Obama's comments pissed off some cops.. good. the one's here in Ocala are below human status when it comes to racial profiling.. just horrible.

Its 2009 and we are supposed to be a progressive country. Unfortunatly, some people, for reasons I will NEVER understand, think they are better than others.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Its 2009 and we are supposed to be a progressive country.

It's not a progressive country. He was running against a dumb guy, and a hildabeast. He's a natural leader, and short dumbo is a born opposition leader(big difference between those two.) When you combine the materialistically selfish(b.t.w...the majority who post in this political forum) with the Bible thumpers(again a type of selfishness,) that's a solid majority in this country.

[gales0678]

LORI please read what the black cop and hispanic cop who were there on the scene said about the incident

I'm not saying it does nox exist(racial profiling) in the USA or Ocala FL , but, take a good hard look at what the minority po's said about why he was pulled in in the 1st place