What is C BROWN UP TO?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm sorry Riot, but I trust my sources more than the "vets" you talked to... and Cannon posted in here identical to what I posted... and yes I'll take Cannons word here over the "vets"..

Admitting that the "authorities" ie vets and chemists, are totally lost in trying to combat illegal drugs is not going to happen from a vet. It is the basic problem in solving the issue. Similarily the way the drugs that the BALCO guys were using were found out was by someone ratting them out and sending the authorities a sample. Even Dr. Caitlin admitted that they would have likely never found "the clear" or "the cream" through traditional testing methods and that guy is borderline insane. While "cheating" is not nearly as widespread as thought and most positive tests are not really relevant to performance the idea that there aren't things being done beyond the scope of the regulators is frightenly naive.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Admitting that the "authorities" ie vets and chemists, are totally lost in trying to combat illegal drugs is not going to happen from a vet. It is the basic problem in solving the issue. Similarily the way the drugs that the BALCO guys were using were found out was by someone ratting them out and sending the authorities a sample. Even Dr. Caitlin admitted that they would have likely never found "the clear" or "the cream" through traditional testing methods and that guy is borderline insane. While "cheating" is not nearly as widespread as thought and most positive tests are not really relevant to performance the idea that there aren't things being done beyond the scope of the regulators is frightenly naive.

I meant to say something about the bolded earlier.. When most positive tests are not really related to performance enhancers, that is more proof that the performance enhancing substances are always one step ahead of the testers... or they would get caught more often. Barn raids are what got the snake venom - not drug testing. Of course not everyone is cheating... but you notice patterns to get a good idea of who is... and unfortunately great clean trainers will get caught in that category sometimes when its not deserved... just like great clean baseball players will get the label unfairly.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I meant to say something about the bolded earlier.. When most positive tests are not really related to performance enhancers, that is more proof that the performance enhancing substances are always one step ahead of the testers... or they would get caught more often. .

Contending that something's invisibility and lack of presence proves that it's actually there, isn't really very logical

It could be that the number of "performance enhancers" is not what the public imagines it to be.

Again - it's not a big secret what "drugs or compounds" people are trying to use, or are using. On a TB track, or a Standardbred track, or a QH track, or a human athletic event. There are only so many ways to affect performance. Only so many things that could do so. Geesh, go on the internet, search, and find them yourself. People are not making up new magic potions out of thin air (although they don't seem to hesitate to try anything)

Yes, not everything known to be used can be found in blood or urine, currently.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Admitting that the "authorities" ie vets and chemists, are totally lost in trying to combat illegal drugs is not going to happen from a vet. It is the basic problem in solving the issue. Similarily the way the drugs that the BALCO guys were using were found out was by someone ratting them out and sending the authorities a sample. Even Dr. Caitlin admitted that they would have likely never found "the clear" or "the cream" through traditional testing methods and that guy is borderline insane. While "cheating" is not nearly as widespread as thought and most positive tests are not really relevant to performance the idea that there aren't things being done beyond the scope of the regulators is frightenly naive.

Do you seriously think that the authorities are indeed "totally lost" in combating illegal drugs? Really? Totally? RMTC and their work, and what has been changed in the past ten years, and what they are working on now?

As to your second comment, if you are referring to me saying things are not done beyond the scope of the regulators, what I said was that they indeed were. I've not seen anybody here say there's no cheating.

Thanks for verifying, "that cheating is not nearly as widespread as thought"

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you seriously think that the authorities are indeed "totally lost" in combating illegal drugs? Really? Totally? RMTC and their work, and what has been changed in the past ten years, and what they are working on now?

As to your second comment, if you are referring to me saying things are not done beyond the scope of the regulators, what I said was that they indeed were. I've not seen anybody here say there's no cheating.

Thanks for verifying, "that cheating is not nearly as widespread as thought"

They are in Kentucky. A f.ucking lawyer broad is in charge of it. It's a disaster.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you seriously think that the authorities are indeed "totally lost" in combating illegal drugs? Really? Totally? RMTC and their work, and what has been changed in the past ten years, and what they are working on now?

As to your second comment, if you are referring to me saying things are not done beyond the scope of the regulators, what I said was that they indeed were. I've not seen anybody here say there's no cheating.

Thanks for verifying, "that cheating is not nearly as widespread as thought"

Do I seriously think authorities are totally lost in combating illegal drugs? Absolutely. The CIA has done a better job tracking Bin Laden than the RMTC has in uncovering anything groundbreaking. While their work is appreciated and needed what exactly have they done in combating illegal and/or undetectable drugs? Pretty much nothing.