Bo Rail gets the boot on Mine that Bird

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

I would like to see what Rachel Alexandra will do the rest of the year before calling her the best of her generation. As I said I think she is under what I would call as the 'halo effect'. Horseracing is just crying out for a superstar and there is no doubt she is the one they are looking at her with starstruck eyes.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by CSC

I would like to see what Rachel Alexandra will do the rest of the year before calling her the best of her generation. As I said I think she is under what I would call as the 'halo effect'. Horseracing is just crying out for a superstar and there is no doubt she is the one they are looking at her with starstruck eyes.

I am with you on waiting, but she just seems better then a horse like MTB under any circumstance. Zenyatta is a different story, she has overcome every setup to win in jogs from last place, no horse does that, look it up, even on turf.

Mine that Bird will let jugblowers and methheads around the heartland of America know that he is the people's choice after he wins the West Virginia Slots Derby.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Mine that Bird will let jugblowers and methheads around the heartland of America know that he is the people's choice after he wins the West Virginia Slots Derby.

That is usually a race dominated near the front end, mountaineer is one of the more speed biased tracks in the country, I actually find it a not very well thought out decision to run there.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

That is usually a race dominated near the front end, mountaineer is one of the more speed biased tracks in the country, I actually find it a not very well thought out decision to run there.

Three of the last four winners have won from well off the pace. It all depends on if there's any speed, but Mnr is not as notoriously speed-favoring as Monmouth.

The purse is gigantic and the field is likely to be soft. That goes into the decision just as much as whether it fits his style.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Three of the last four winners have won from well off the pace. It all depends on if there's any speed, but Mnr is not as notoriously speed-favoring as Monmouth.

The purse is gigantic and the field is likely to be soft. That goes into the decision just as much as whether it fits his style.

NT

yes, its usually a weaker than the Haskell.

I guess it makes sense, the owners have a gelding and so its a money grab type move, and lets face it they are not Sheiks.

I actually have seen numbers that show Mntr as the 3rd most speed biased track in the country. I dont play there enough to know but trust where I got the numbers. Maybe different at night than day?

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yes, its usually a weaker than the Haskell.

I guess it makes sense, the owners have a gelding and so its a money grab type move, and lets face it they are not Sheiks.

I actually have seen numbers that show Mntr as the 3rd most speed biased track in the country. I dont play there enough to know but trust where I got the numbers. Maybe different at night than day?

The big problem which probably makes Mountaineer seem to be such a speed biased track is the regularity with which horses drop in class who have speed. You see shippers from major tracks usually ship in dropping in class show up for Maiden 15K, Maiden 10K, and Maiden 5K there that are simply faster than the horses that are currently running for those tags at Mountaineer. You also see examples of horses since Mountaineer has many different class levels of 5K claimers such as 5K NW2L, 5K NW3L, 5K, NW4L, 5K NW1Y, 5K NW2Y, 5K NW3Y, 5K Open with a progression to Starter 5K Races, horses that are dropping in class from any of those levels to the next level down or anything below that have any pace at all are usually faster than their pace rivals and outpace them and make the track appear to be speed biased.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Mine that Bird will let jugblowers and methheads around the heartland of America know that he is the people's choice after he wins the West Virginia Slots Derby.

I just had to repeat that.