Bo Rail gets the boot on Mine that Bird

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

what an average horse

yes, average horses always finish in the money in all three triple crown events.. including winning the main one...

Not a "great" horse... but far above average!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yes, average horses always finish in the money in all three triple crown events.. including winning the main one...

Not a "great" horse... but far above average!

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

fine.. he is an average Kentucky Derby winner ... and its half way through the 3yo season so he may turn out to be a top quality Kentucky Derby winner or just stay average.

While I think Rachel is a MUCH better racehorse... I'll wait til they run against each other a few more times to make up my mind.. there was only a length seperating them at the finish (though Rachel's trip was MUCH more taxing).

And while Zenyatta may be better than both.. I will not say that because she runs against chicken $hit every race and it cant be determined until she faces better competition.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is...that makes him average relative to his paper record in my book.

I love it when people want to just read a post, they know the context it was used, but reply as if they dont. Its pretty obvious compared to the 5k claimer at River Downs he is exceptional, duh....but he is average historically compared to others with similar accomplishments. I would take it a step further and say he is average compared to the best horses in his generation, that would be horses like Zenyatta and Rachael Alexandra.

I would like to see what Rachel Alexandra will do the rest of the year before calling her the best of her generation. As I said I think she is under what I would call as the 'halo effect'. Horseracing is just crying out for a superstar and there is no doubt she is the one they are looking at her with starstruck eyes.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by CSC

I would like to see what Rachel Alexandra will do the rest of the year before calling her the best of her generation. As I said I think she is under what I would call as the 'halo effect'. Horseracing is just crying out for a superstar and there is no doubt she is the one they are looking at her with starstruck eyes.

I am with you on waiting, but she just seems better then a horse like MTB under any circumstance. Zenyatta is a different story, she has overcome every setup to win in jogs from last place, no horse does that, look it up, even on turf.

Mine that Bird will let jugblowers and methheads around the heartland of America know that he is the people's choice after he wins the West Virginia Slots Derby.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Mine that Bird will let jugblowers and methheads around the heartland of America know that he is the people's choice after he wins the West Virginia Slots Derby.

That is usually a race dominated near the front end, mountaineer is one of the more speed biased tracks in the country, I actually find it a not very well thought out decision to run there.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

That is usually a race dominated near the front end, mountaineer is one of the more speed biased tracks in the country, I actually find it a not very well thought out decision to run there.

Three of the last four winners have won from well off the pace. It all depends on if there's any speed, but Mnr is not as notoriously speed-favoring as Monmouth.

The purse is gigantic and the field is likely to be soft. That goes into the decision just as much as whether it fits his style.

NT

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Mine that Bird will let jugblowers and methheads around the heartland of America know that he is the people's choice after he wins the West Virginia Slots Derby.

I just had to repeat that.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

As horses who hit the board in all three triple crown races, a very nice achievement in itself, he is average. I dare you to name horses who have done that, that you would say are worse then he is.

Off the top of my head, Mane Minister certainly fits the bill...there's one.

Here's the list I think the last 20 or so years....

Mine That Bird
Curlin
Afleet Alex
Smarty Jones
Funny Cide
Charismatic
Real Quiet
Victory Gallop
Silver Charm
Free House
Thunder Gulch
Go For Gin
Mane Minister
Sunday Silence
Easy Goer
Risen Star

Of those, I think Mane Minister is the only one you could for certain say is worse than MTB. Maybe Go For Gin?? But at this point through the Belmont, I don't think you can claim that one even. So your point is well taken...the last 21 years of those placing in all 3 TC races, I think you can find only 1 worse than MTB to this point.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Off the top of my head, Mane Minister certainly fits the bill...there's one.

thats debatable, but yea I guess they are on the same level in my mind.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

thats debatable, but yea I guess they are on the same level in my mind.

You can't be serious. You hate MTB that much!!

12-3-0-5 ?? No, he's better than Mane Minister...not debatable.

[letswastemoney]

It's too early to assume how good or not MTB is...let him finish out the year at least before comparing him to past horses who finished in the money in all 3 TC events

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

You can't be serious. You hate MTB that much!!

12-3-0-5 ?? No, he's better than Mane Minister...not debatable.

I was talking about natural talent, of course he has accomplished more by winning the derby.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Mane Minister was a lot like Mine That Bird in that he tweaked his running style for the Ky Derby.

MM set a solid pace in the Santa Anita Derby and faded out of the money - and next out rallied to finish 3rd at about 100/1 odds in the KY Derby.

Trivia, the horse who beat Mane Minister in his debut sired both parts of a post time favored entry in the Kentucky Derby .. name him.