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Old 06-22-2009, 10:12 PM
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Actually, without having watched her race, I thought that JT got all the worst of it, making the 1st move in what turned out to be a 3 move race. I've seen enough of these types of charts (they're probably the most prevalent in turf races) to know that when the flow is against it, there's nothing a horse can do.

I have to watch it again but off the chart I don't like SS' race. Not only because of Kent's move but it appears that Take the Points also 'moved' before him at a key point. SS appears to have gotten the best trip of the pace setters in a race that held well.
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:55 PM
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:00 PM
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I'd still hit it!!!
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:15 PM
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I'd still hit it!!!
yea but FATJessica is symbolic of knowing race flow generalities.

more cushion for da pushin'
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:18 PM
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Wow, if Jessica is fat everyone women in America better go on a diet. It's a terrible outfit.
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:23 PM
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Wow, if Jessica is fat everyone women in America better go on a diet. It's a terrible outfit.

Its a bad outfit and she looks just as good on the pic on the right as the one on the left anyway. She's also overrated and a Cowboys fan but I'd still be happy to steal her from Homo... I mean Romo.
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:25 PM
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Wow, if Jessica is fat everyone women in America better go on a diet. It's a terrible outfit.
Not the outfit as much as the jeans. I was watching some special on chick jeans yesterday and it is ridiculous how one pair can look so awesome and the other look so ridiculous on you people
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:26 PM
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Not the outfit as much as the jeans. I was watching some special on chick jeans yesterday and it is ridiculous how one pair can look so awesome and the other look so ridiculous on you people
Now you know why we spend so much time shopping!
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Old 06-23-2009, 02:10 PM
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seriously race flow is awesome, and I didn't mean to get far off topic.
JESSICA


one of the "Traps" i see with race flow is once in a while mistaking the "bad horses" for being "against the flow". - like if the worst horses happen to be 1-2-3-4 for the race (which isn't that rare in a classy distance turf race)
and all those 4 quit - exactly like they should quit with their lack of talent - then you have to be careful about saying that the race flow was so favorable to those off the pace. It could still be, but what I am saying is that you always look at who is doing the quitting , not just where they happen to be bunched. The same visa-versa idea happens occasionally in dirt sprints where all the good horses happen to be 1-2-3-4 except maybe one good animal with a breathing or pallate problem that always quits.

Another thing to watch out for is giving undue credit to the rank horse or the knucklehead jockey who moves prematurely during the "rest period" before the last move. Yes, that killed his chances, but it is also easy to look great if you move early, and it is easy to blame a jockey and expect that next-out smooth trip. I think Mine That Bird was handled well by FATs and others because they noted the split fractions during the premature move and the raw times agreed with the race flow charts and the visual interpretations.

yet another , tricky situation is a kickback-heavy track such as turfway or woodbine. Anytime kickback is a factor you always have to watch the head on and the pan and try to form an opinion of whether the jockeys are riding wider. This is really less of a (direct) relationship to race flow.

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Actually, without having watched her race, I thought that JT got all the worst of it, making the 1st move in what turned out to be a 3 move race. I've seen enough of these types of charts (they're probably the most prevalent in turf races) to know that when the flow is against it, there's nothing a horse can do.

I have to watch it again but off the chart I don't like SS' race. Not only because of Kent's move but it appears that Take the Points also 'moved' before him at a key point. SS appears to have gotten the best trip of the pace setters in a race that held well.
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