Imus fired why not Letterman

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The thing is, even if Palin paid them no attention, why should there be jokes made about them at all? Is the media so outrageously obnoxious that now children are fair game too?

Letterman may have been referring to Palin's 18 YO daughter but he knew it was her 14 YO daughter that was with her because he had just joked about it. He shouldn't be fired but he should stay away from jokes that involve people's children. Isn't that reasonable?

NT

i personally wouldn't go after her family...but it's a tricky situation. you have pols who put their kids out there to begin with, which i also wouldn't engage in. also, it's not as tho palin is the first to deal with her kids getting attention, unwanted or not. i don't think it's right, but it certainly is part and parcel with the job.
and he's not the first, or the only-like the article above said, these jokes have been around since she was first named mccains running mate-so why is she up in arms now? a ploy to get her attention perhaps?

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i personally wouldn't go after her family...but it's a tricky situation. you have pols who put their kids out there to begin with, which i also wouldn't engage in. also, it's not as tho palin is the first to deal with her kids getting attention, unwanted or not. i don't think it's right, but it certainly is part and parcel with the job.
and he's not the first, or the only-like the article above said, these jokes have been around since she was first named mccains running mate-so why is she up in arms now? a ploy to get her attention perhaps?

Perhaps not.......the woman deals with a perceieved threat/slight.....just as Al
and Jesse or Frank deal with perception! It was something....but still much-ado

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Perhaps not.......the woman deals with a perceieved threat/slight.....just as Al
and Jesse or Frank deal with perception! It was something....but still much-ado

it was ridiculous and probably backfired, with letterman getting higher ratings because of it.
besides, didn't palin attend a rally where people started shouting threats of violence, and she just smirked? and now she takes a joke and tries to twist it for political points-she's the one linking this joke with the 14 year old, letterman meant it for the over 18 baby mama.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it was ridiculous and probably backfired, with letterman getting higher ratings because of it.
besides, didn't palin attend a rally where people started shouting threats of violence, and she just smirked? and now she takes a joke and tries to twist it for political points-she's the one linking this joke with the 14 year old, letterman meant it for the over 18 baby mama.

that is your opinion,apparently.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

that is your opinion,apparently.

what's my opinion? letterman is enjoying a ratings spike, he did intend the joke for the 18 year old, and palin did face accusations of ignoring racial threats at a speech/rally or whatever it was, didn't she? and i also think she chose NOW, when she's been pretty much a non story, to get offended at jokes that have been told at her childrens expense for a year, as a way to get some PR. i wonder how much of an increase she'll see in her legal expense donations...

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what's my opinion? letterman is enjoying a ratings spike, he did intend the joke for the 18 year old, and palin did face accusations of ignoring racial threats at a speech/rally or whatever it was, didn't she? and i also think she chose NOW, when she's been pretty much a non story, to get offended at jokes that have been told at her childrens expense for a year, as a way to get some PR. i wonder how much of an increase she'll see in her legal expense donations...

I think the worst part is that she attributed the joke to the 14 year old when she should have been being motherly and convincing the 14 year old that it wasn't about her. The joke was in poor taste cause the 14 year old was there but anyone with a brain knew Letterman was talking about Bristol.

[dellinger63]

I think Letterman was just reading a joke written for him. He apologized, case over. Imus was all him. No writers and he went far deeper into the 'pool of bad taste' (at the very least) than Dave did. IMO

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think the worst part is that she attributed the joke to the 14 year old when she should have been being motherly and convincing the 14 year old that it wasn't about her. The joke was in poor taste cause the 14 year old was there but anyone with a brain knew Letterman was talking about Bristol.

then there's the fact that she said nothing last fall about leno, o'brien et al making jokes. it wasn't the best thing politically at the time, but i guess now it is...she's an offended mother now, but she sure wasn't then...my kids know i have their back if needed, whether it's pc at the time or not.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what's my opinion? letterman is enjoying a ratings spike, he did intend the joke for the 18 year old, and palin did face accusations of ignoring racial threats at a speech/rally or whatever it was, didn't she? and i also think she chose NOW, when she's been pretty much a non story, to get offended at jokes that have been told at her childrens expense for a year, as a way to get some PR. i wonder how much of an increase she'll see in her legal expense donations...

So you choose the negative spin.....no problem!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So you choose the negative spin.....no problem!

depends on how you're looking at it. i don't think i'm being negative, i think i'm correct about how this was handled vs how the rest of the jokes were ignored.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it was ridiculous and probably backfired, with letterman getting higher ratings because of it.
besides, didn't palin attend a rally where people started shouting threats of violence, and she just smirked? and now she takes a joke and tries to twist it for political points-she's the one linking this joke with the 14 year old, letterman meant it for the over 18 baby mama.

She's nothing if not an opportunist.

Can't wait for 2012.

[Rupert Pupkin]

I think this whole thing was much ado about nothing. I think Palin is happy to put the focus on Letterman and take the focus off what a lousy job she did of raising her daughter (the one who got pregnant at 17).

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think this whole thing was much ado about nothing. I think Palin is happy to put the focus on Letterman and take the focus off what a lousy job she did of raising her daughter (the one who got pregnant at 17).

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...

But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...

But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

I agree with you but I have to hold Palin to a higher standard since she is preaching family values and running as a born-again Christian. I think if someone is a serious Christian, they have failed greatly as a parent if their 17 year old daughter gets pregnant.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I agree with you but I have to hold Palin to a higher standard since she is preaching family values and running as a born-again Christian. I think if someone is a serious Christian, they have failed greatly as a parent if their 17 year old daughter gets pregnant.

That is bullpucky and you know it , do you run around with blinkers on all day ????? Ah you must have been a virgin till you were what 25??? LOL You know Im just teasing you but come on dude everyone knows that preachers kids are the worst offenders of all , so lets not point fingers at what kids will do. Is not the agenda of almost every boy between the ages of 12 and 1000 to get laid? How do you think they get it done ???

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Honu

That is bullpucky and you know it , do you run around with blinkers on all day ????? Ah you must have been a virgin till you were what 25??? LOL You know Im just teasing you but come on dude everyone knows that preachers kids are the worst offenders of all , so lets not point fingers at what kids will do. Is not the agenda of almost every boy between the ages of 12 and 1000 to get laid? How do you think they get it done ???

I wasn't brought up as a Christian. I was not taught abstinence. But I'll tell you something that was drummed into my head from the time I was a little kid. The dangers of drugs and cigarettes were drummed into my head from the time I was 5 years old. And you know what, it worked. There was never any danger of me getting into drugs or cigarettes because it had been drummed into my head at a very early age that drugs and cigarettes were very dangerous.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont know... most high schoolers are having sex at 17. I was.. everyone I knew was... and it just got worse with kids younger than me as they got older. there is a big problem and MIDDLE school with kids having sex. Its not like all these parents did a lousy job raising their kids. Shoot, 17 year olds dont listen to there parents anyway!! You just have to hope they are making the right decisions and its important to talk about birth control cause no matter what you want to happen... sex is going to happen.

That could have been Palins problem... preaching abstinence is NEVER going to be the answer, cause kids could care less about that. Teaching safe sex and the dangers of unsafe sex is a MUCH better option...

But I have a hard time blaming Palin or calling her a bad parent because her 17 year old had sex. If that was the case there would be a very small amount of good parents out there.

I should say that I partially agree with you. I agree with you that tons of 17 year old girls are having sex. But I disagree that we have to accept this as something that is inevitable that can't be prevented. I think that if you teach your kids about the dangers of sex from the time they are very young and you absolutely stress the importance of abstinence, I think it is quite realistic to expect your kids to stay abstinent (at least while they are living in your house). Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is easy. I think this needs to be something that you constantly drum into your kids' heads from the time they are very young. If this is something that is important to you as a parent, then you need to make it a priority. It is something you would need to constantly talk to your kids about from the time they are very young.

[Scav]

How I have missed this thread?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I should say that I partially agree with you. I agree with you that tons of 17 year old girls are having sex. But I disagree that we have to accept this as something that is inevitable that can't be prevented. I think that if you teach your kids about the dangers of sex from the time they are very young and you absolutely stress the importance of abstinence, I think it is quite realistic to exepct your kids to stay abstinent (at least while they are living in your house). Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is easy. I think this needs to be something that you constantly drum into your kid's heads from the time they are very young. If this is something that is important to you as a parent, then you need to make it a priority. It is something you would need to constantly talk to your kids about from the time they are very young.

KGB has started already

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I should say that I partially agree with you. I agree with you that tons of 17 year old girls are having sex. But I disagree that we have to accept this as something that is inevitable that can't be prevented. I think that if you teach your kids about the dangers of sex from the time they are very young and you absolutely stress the importance of abstinence, I think it is quite realistic to expect your kids to stay abstinent (at least while they are living in your house). Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying this is easy. I think this needs to be something that you constantly drum into your kids' heads from the time they are very young. If this is something that is important to you as a parent, then you need to make it a priority. It is something you would need to constantly talk to your kids about from the time they are very young.

Really in this day of age, you can do this with your daughter and then the time comes when she's 17, has a huge crush on a cute boy... He likes her too and says "I really love you".... and she knows all her friends are doing it so it doesnt seem as much of a big deal, and she feels "left out" in a strange way (that feeling does happen to teenage girls who are restraining). But the guy loves her so its okay! 10 years of preaching abstinence down the drain...