There's no stars in racing? Is that right?

[Sightseek]

There are "neat" horses like Einstein, but even in the short time I have been watching racing there has been a significant drop in the quality of horses running - especially in the older male and female divisions.

[Cannon Shell]

Steve that isnt exactly a murders row

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Steve that isnt exactly a murders row

No, but combined they do represent multiple/numerous Gr. I wins, consistant stake starts, Breeders Cup wins/appearances, etc., stretched over a number of seasons. (And at least three of them are eminently likeable ).

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

No, but combined they do represent multiple/numerous Gr. I wins, consistant stake starts, Breeders Cup wins/appearances, etc., stretched over a number of seasons. (And at least three of them are eminently likeable ).

Outside of Indian Blessing and Kip Deville they make up a bunch of 2nd raters that simply stuck around. The others have risen in stature because of the defection of better horses. It is a bunch of Jamie Moyers, nice careers, you go see them if you get free tickets but soon forgotten.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Outside of Indian Blessing and Kip Deville they make up a bunch of 2nd raters that simply stuck around. The others have risen in stature because of the defection of better horses. It is a bunch of Jamie Moyers, nice careers, you go see them if you get free tickets but soon forgotten.

what are you, a mets fan??

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what are you, a mets fan??

No even you have to admit watching Moyer pitch is liking watching paint dry.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No even you have to admit watching Moyer pitch is liking watching paint dry.

He's a great teacher and mentor for our younger men... but yes, very boring to watch... except still exciting when he wins games for the World Champs.

Need to hire him as a coach next year or the year after...

It was funny, I was watching him pitch and he threw a strike.. curveball I think.. the commentator says "That pitched looked to be about 55 MPH"... good stuff!!

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Outside of Indian Blessing and Kip Deville they make up a bunch of 2nd raters that simply stuck around. The others have risen in stature because of the defection of better horses. It is a bunch of Jamie Moyers, nice careers, you go see them if you get free tickets but soon forgotten.

So am I not the only one who isn't a Commentator fan?

NT

You can't have stars that the public cares about when they perform maybe at most 8 times a year on 6 week breaks.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You can't have stars that the public cares about when they perform maybe at most 8 times a year on 6 week breaks.

That would be the best case scenario

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You can't have stars that the public cares about when they perform maybe at most 8 times a year on 6 week breaks.

not only that with all the tracks and money they can avoid each other most of the racing year. people might hate this but if some of these tracks do close it will help racing. then came these ridiculous poly tracks at a time racing needed more stars and it pretty much ruins the competition level. what little good talent thats out there gets split in two, right there. any one with half a brain realizes that the tracks run differently. connections don't want to meet on the others guys stronger track. big deal zenyatta winds up and drowns another poly field, while rachel dusts another dirt field. but if they race against each other the results will be just about meaningless unless one beats the other on their preferred surface. racing could not have made a stupider move at this time ! i see they are selling BC tickets online, good luck with that. watch the handle drop AGAIN this year, regaurdless of the economy real horse players know its all like turf, every race! i bet like 50 bucks on that garbage last year! all the horses race less and retire quicker and the minds that be decide to start a different kind of track that plays differently depending on where it is. that was just brilliant, and notice interest and integrity of the competition has dropped big time. the results from last years BC are a joke. anyone thats played horses for years knows this and it alienates the very lifes blood of this game. WHICH IS THE DAILY HORSE PLAYERS. want to screw something up that needs help already, do what these people did to horse racing. this is the generation that can't manage a wet paperbag, it runs from the financials to politics all the way to our sports. we are living under the leadership of a bunch of fools, across the board. what stars? the 11 grass horses that will win at the BC this year. if i didn't love this game i would laugh out loud.

[Dunbar]

There is so much good stuff in this thread that I'd either forgotten or missed entirely the first time around:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

There's always going to be stars because someone has to win the races.

In some years the stars won't be very good in relation to the stars of other years.
...

Basically, the older male division was Adriana Lima, Gisele Bundchen, Karolina Kurkova, Heidy Klum etc. The 2yo male division was some pretty girl hanging out at Camp Fat...

That was an analogy for the ages.

Originally Posted by Kasept

No matter how good they look in their era, Derek Jeter ain't Al Kaline...

A shoutout to Al Kaline, my all time favorite ballplayer?! How did I miss that?!

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You can't have stars that the public cares about when they perform maybe at most 8 times a year on 6 week breaks.

I don't think the problem can be stated more concisely or more accurately than that.


And then the reason the thread deserved the bump:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Obviously the eras are different but mitigated by Cabrera playing in poor hitting parks his entire career. And this is also without cabrera reaching his prime late 20's hitting peak. If you took the first 6 years of each player it is embarrasing. Surely Clemente was a better fielder but cabrera is a better hitter.

Can we agree now that Cabrera is the better hitter?!


--Dunbar

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

So am I not the only one who isn't a Commentator fan?

NT

He is a nice horse but hardly a star. Because he has been around for a long time he is well known and has a nice following but historically is an afterthought.

[DaTruth]

If Pimlico continues to decline like it has, then change to the TC may come whether we want it or not.

[sumitas]

we're wise to your bullshit. get ****in bent .

[richard burch]

what ever happened to Evening Attire?

[ARyan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Outside of Indian Blessing and Kip Deville they make up a bunch of 2nd raters that simply stuck around. The others have risen in stature because of the defection of better horses. It is a bunch of Jamie Moyers, nice careers, you go see them if you get free tickets but soon forgotten.

Kip Deville gets 1st rate status, yet Einstien gets relegated to second tier?

I do not see that big of a gap between these two horses, espically not enough of a difference to call one a 2nd rater, while giving the other "star" status.

Einstien is no Satchel Paige, but calling him a Jamie Moyer is an insult. Maybe a Gaylord Perry comparison might fit...

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

There are "neat" horses like Einstein, but even in the short time I have been watching racing there has been a significant drop in the quality of horses running - especially in the older male and female divisions.

It does seem like a lot fewer horses are actually progressing from the 3YO to 4YO seasons, right? And by progressing I mean two things: actually racing as an older horse and/or actually improving once a horse turns four.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

It does seem like a lot fewer horses are actually progressing from the 3YO to 4YO seasons, right? And by progressing I mean two things: actually racing as an older horse and/or actually improving once a horse turns four.

it's been that way, but i think while sales are down and breeders are gun shy you'll see more stay on the track.

[MisterB]

Can we go back when they ran the Preakness and Belmont the same day