The Dedgradation of the American Dialogue

[Cannon Shell]

Seriously, a deranged 80 year old guy shoots a security guard and it Ann Coulter or Sarah Palins fault? What about Bush? Doesnt he also have something to do with it too? Did they start the KKK too? Typical liberal bs trying to blame someone else for the issues of the accused.

[gales0678]

chuck i 'll tell you it's bad , i asked my aunt who has transformed herself into a liberal what happened to al queda after 9/11 - i asked her did they go into retirement or was it something that GWB did to slow them down / prevent future attacks ... her answer (probably derived from some ny times story ) was that it had nothing to do with bush going after them , they weren't in retirement either , they just out of the goodness of there heart decided to suspend operations against the US because the saudi king warned them he would take away osma's $$$ from the oil rigs in Saudi Arabia that he collects

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

chuck i 'll tell you it's bad , i asked my aunt who has transformed herself into a liberal what happened to al queda after 9/11 - i asked her did they go into retirement or was it something that GWB did to slow them down / prevent future attacks ... her answer (probably derived from some ny times story ) was that it had nothing to do with bush going after them , they weren't in retirement either , they just out of the goodness of there heart decided to suspend operations against the US because the saudi king warned them he would take away osma's $$$ from the oil rigs in Saudi Arabia that he collects

This is a particularly ridiculous line.

Obama's citizenship was reportedly also something of an obsession for von Brunn, and likely very much on his mind when he walked into the museum and opened fire to make a statement about what "his" America ought to look like

So he knows what was on this nuts mind?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is a particularly ridiculous line.

Obama's citizenship was reportedly also something of an obsession for von Brunn, and likely very much on his mind when he walked into the museum and opened fire to make a statement about what "his" America ought to look like

So he knows what was on this nuts mind?

"The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. The First Amendment is abrogated -- henceforth. ...," an excerpt said.

Found in his car..and probably on his mind I would think.

[timmgirvan]

the article was a degradation of American dialogue! The premise is ridiculous. but par for the course with the lunatic left media. Come on,Riot, I thought you were all about ...... integrity?

[Antitrust32]

While you cant blame people who speak on the radio for someone elses radical actions, is it disgusting the hate that is purged from the mouths of people like Coulter, and Rush, etc.

Why shouldnt Coulter be held responsible for saying that jews need to be perfected by being Christians... That shouldnt even be allowed to be said on the radio, its pure hate and disgusting, and should make all decent human beings feel sick.


the Grand Ol' Party will never be accepted like it used to inless it looks like a party that is accepting of all people. Not just rich white people. That might have been okay years and years ago when hate was acceptable, but thankfully the younger generation, at least.. is beyond all that.

And its quite ashame because the BLUE party is the other option and that is just

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

While you cant blame people who speak on the radio for someone elses radical actions, is it disgusting the hate that is purged from the mouths of people like Coulter, and Rush, etc.

Why shouldnt Coulter be held responsible for saying that jews need to be perfected by being Christians... That shouldnt even be allowed to be said on the radio, its pure hate and disgusting, and should make all decent human beings feel sick.


the Grand Ol' Party will never be accepted like it used to inless it looks like a party that is accepting of all people. Not just rich white people. That might have been okay years and years ago when hate was acceptable, but thankfully the younger generation, at least.. is beyond all that.

And its quite ashame because the BLUE party is the other option and that is just

The media has painted this picture of all republicans being radicalized and polarizing figures and it simply isnt true. There is no doubt that the mainstream media will do whatever it can to hold onto the ideological advantage that they now maintain with liberal control of the govt. Rush and Coulter and Hannity and the rest are simply playing to their rather sizable audiences. They aren't political commentators as much as "entertainers". The former President was called far worse things by Olberman and crew. He was and continues to be brutalized in the media yet because it falls under similar political leanings of the majority of the media that is simply brushed aside. There is no doubt that the Liberals here HATE George Bush far more than most Conservatives dislike Obama. But that isn't the sexy argument.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

the article was a degradation of American dialogue! The premise is ridiculous. but par for the course with the lunatic left media. Come on,Riot, I thought you were all about ...... integrity?

What do you think the premise is?

I think it's that rabid, inflammatory talk has consequence.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think the premise is?

I think it's that rabid, inflammatory talk has consequence.

This may be the first and last time you hear this Riot, but I 100% agree.


I mean Coulter and such are not directly reponsible for anything that happened yesterday... but when popular people are throwing out the same opinions that go along with psycopath's opinions like this guy yesterday, it throws oil on the fire.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

"The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. The First Amendment is abrogated -- henceforth. ...," an excerpt said.

Found in his car..and probably on his mind I would think.

What does his citizenship have to do the rantings of a madman? Did Fox news make this guy insane? Is the right now denying the Holocaust too? Irans president has many times in public forums so maybe he should take some of the blame too, though I doubt he would mind. This is a clear case of the sensationalistic "journalism" the writer is complaining about. Tying the views of nutjobs to political pundits is a stretch. Free speech is fine unless you dont agree with it? It is a real stretch to say that psychos are killing people because of Bill O'Reilley. Nutcases have been killing people long before Foxnews came about. Just think of the reaction that JFK's death in modern terms would have caused? Surely Rush would have been to blame for inciting Oswald.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What does his citizenship have to do the rantings of a madman? Did Fox news make this guy insane? Is the right now denying the Holocaust too? Irans president has many times in public forums so maybe he should take some of the blame too, though I doubt he would mind. This is a clear case of the sensationalistic "journalism" the writer is complaining about. Tying the views of nutjobs to political pundits is a stretch. Free speech is fine unless you dont agree with it? It is a real stretch to say that psychos are killing people because of Bill O'Reilley. Nutcases have been killing people long before Foxnews came about. Just think of the reaction that JFK's death in modern terms would have caused? Surely Rush would have been to blame for inciting Oswald.

Especially this guy. He goes way back. I read where in 1981 he tried to kidnap the members of the Federal Reserve board of governers. there was no Fox, Palin, O'Reilly, Coulter, etc back then. who do we blame for that? Walter Cronkite, David Brinkley?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What does his citizenship have to do the rantings of a madman? Did Fox news make this guy insane? Is the right now denying the Holocaust too? Irans president has many times in public forums so maybe he should take some of the blame too, though I doubt he would mind. This is a clear case of the sensationalistic "journalism" the writer is complaining about. Tying the views of nutjobs to political pundits is a stretch. Free speech is fine unless you dont agree with it? It is a real stretch to say that psychos are killing people because of Bill O'Reilley. Nutcases have been killing people long before Foxnews came about. Just think of the reaction that JFK's death in modern terms would have caused? Surely Rush would have been to blame for inciting Oswald.

No, historically it's a pretty reliable way to get the masses worked up.

What do you think about the editor of the Dallas newspaper, that, in the week before Kennedy visited Dallas, called - in the newspaper - for his assassination?

Just an innocent opinionated bystander enjoying his American right of free speech, huh?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, historically it's a pretty reliable way to get the masses worked up.

What do you think about the editor of the Dallas newspaper, that, in the week before Kennedy visited Dallas, called - in the newspaper - for his assassination?

Just an innocent opinionated bystander enjoying his American right of free speech, huh?

You really think that Oswald read some editorial and decided he need to kill the President? Where do you come up with this stuff?

[ArlJim78]

Its really pathetic how some people jump at the chance to try to score political points, even on the back of a tragedy. that piece below is not even worth replying to it is so dishonest and full of holes and inconsistencies. America does have issues with the degradation of the dialogue, and intellectual honesty, but the piece by Mr Howe is a perfect example of what IS wrong.

the 89 year old nutcase who murdered the guard yesterday, among many other paranoid ideas, spoke out against Fox News, Bill O'Reilly, Rupert Murdoch, was obviously anti-semetic, felt George Bush was in on the 9/11 conspiracy, apparently had the address of the conservative Weekly Standard on him, and felt socialism was the best form of government; and this somehow makes him a product of the the right wing, Ann Couter, and Sarah Palin? That is pretty sad.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously, a deranged 80 year old guy shoots a security guard and it Ann Coulter or Sarah Palins fault? What about Bush? Doesnt he also have something to do with it too? Did they start the KKK too? Typical liberal bs trying to blame someone else for the issues of the accused.

Maybe you could not view it in such a superficial, knee-jerk, black-white/right-left/blame point of view?

I think alot of that article is a bit exaggerated, but the part below is right on, and is the reason why I posted it.

What do you think about the below, the POINT of the article?

"There was a time when decency, even honor, was an essential part of the American dialogue in its most ideal form, and part of its very identity. There was a time when our culture would have recoiled in horror at the vituperation flowing unchecked from radios, televisions, and the Internet, instead of applauding it as "common sense," "free speech," or "mavericky," or "a spin-free zone."

"There was a time when intellectual honesty was not considered unpatriotic; when compassion for, and understanding of, your fellow man was a sign of strength, not weakness. There was a time when the phrase Have you no shame? meant something, and the First Amendment was not used as toilet paper to wipe up the excremental verbal degradation of vulnerable segments of the American population. A time when it was expected that citizens would understand the difference between free speech and irresponsible speech. "

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Maybe you could not view it in such a superficial, knee-jerk, black-white/right-left/blame point of view?

I think alot of that article is a bit exaggerated, but the part below is right on, and is the reason why I posted it.

What do you think about the below, the POINT of the article?

"There was a time when decency, even honor, was an essential part of the American dialogue in its most ideal form, and part of its very identity. There was a time when our culture would have recoiled in horror at the vituperation flowing unchecked from radios, televisions, and the Internet, instead of applauding it as "common sense," "free speech," or "mavericky," or "a spin-free zone."

"There was a time when intellectual honesty was not considered unpatriotic; when compassion for, and understanding of, your fellow man was a sign of strength, not weakness. There was a time when the phrase Have you no shame? meant something, and the First Amendment was not used as toilet paper to wipe up the excremental verbal degradation of vulnerable segments of the American population. A time when it was expected that citizens would understand the difference between free speech and irresponsible speech. "

I agree with some of that part except it is wrapped around the message that somehow only Conservative views are radicalized. This is hardly a plea for sanity. It is a totally partisan column found on a totally partisan website. Just saying a few things about our society that are unfortunately true doesn't hide the true intent of the writer which is to cast stones at the right using horrible tragedies as a baseline. Of course you can continue to think that this is a middle of the road viewpoint and that you arent a liberal too.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I agree with some of that part except it is wrapped around the message that somehow only Conservative views are radicalized. This is hardly a plea for sanity. It is a totally partisan column found on a totally partisan website. Just saying a few things about our society that are unfortunately true doesn't hide the true intent of the writer which is to cast stones at the right using horrible tragedies as a baseline. Of course you can continue to think that this is a middle of the road viewpoint and that you arent a liberal too.

Sigh ... okay, once again, can you try to ignore the wrapper, and casting it as right-left, black-white argument, and look at the meat, the point of the article?

Can you leave politics out of it, and ignore that part, and talk about the point of it?

And again, you really have to stop making imaginary crap up out of thin air regarding other people. I obviously don't think this is a middle of the road viewpoint, as you might notice that in the message you are answering I already said I think much of the article is exaggerated. And sorry, I'm not a liberal, either.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sigh ... okay, once again, can you try to ignore the wrapper, and casting it as right-left, black-white argument, and look at the meat, the point of the article?

Can you leave politics out of it, and ignore that part, and talk about the point of it?

And again, you really have to stop making imaginary crap up out of thin air regarding other people. I obviously don't think this is a middle of the road viewpoint, as you might notice that in the message you are answering I already said I think much of the article is exaggerated. And sorry, I'm not a liberal, either.

The point of the article is to take shots at the GOP. If you cant see that...

Why would i leave politics out of an article that clearly is political? The writer isnt lamenting the degradation of American dialogue. he is lamenting the GOP's dialogue. Perhaps if he had included one of the Msnbc nut jobs in there too i could take his points as non political in nature.

If the article is slanted politically by your own admission, why would i "leave the politics out of it"?

And you are not only a liberal...you are a flaming liberal.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And you are not only a liberal...you are a flaming liberal.

I don't know much about anything other than Cleveland sports...but with the extreme liberal media that exists, when exactly did the word "liberal" become a bad thing?? Something so bad, that nearly every single democrat today runs screeching at fear for being called a "liberal". This is a word thrown out all the time meant to be a demeaning thing. Why exactly is that??

What is a liberal?? The media has been called "liberal". What does that mean? Was William Buckley liberal simply because he wrote newspaper articles?? Is this Glenn Beck guy liberal because he is on TV and radio?? Rush Limbaugh is a liberal because he does a radio show?? Because by classic definition, the media is absolutely controlled by these liberals. I mean completely controlled. I could go on with Sean Hannity and others. But if these guys are by strict defnition liberals...who are the conservatives within the media?? So Rachel Maddow and Michael Savage are the same because both are media entities??

I have great trouble understanding these discussions in this section which is why I never post in this section. The media is a liberal construct. Educate me.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

when exactly did the word "liberal" become a bad thing??
This is a word thrown out all the time meant to be a demeaning thing. Why exactly is that?.

Here's the Sarah Palin campaign stop test:

What does not fit with "liberal"?
A. Muslim
B. Terrorist
C. Media
D. American

Now, the saddest thing I saw, the other day, was some media wonks making Hitler out to be a liberal. So they could associate Obama with him. It was pathetic these people had access to public airways.

Frankly, I think that people today simply are not very educated, and throw words out there whether they fit or not.