North Korea question

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i'm glad you believe that. But really you dont know the facts. You may be right, & also may be wrong.

So they deserve 12 years in a prison camp for being journalists? You think the punishment is justified even if your theory about them doing a story on girls sold into the sex trade is correct?

There's no reason to stick up for North Korea, especially at this time in history.

Lori no way are they going to do any hard time. I'm not sticking up for N.Korea just making the point these girls f'd up and now have put us in this situation of being forced to bargain with the little dictator in women's sunglasses. If they in fact N Korea crossed the border and kidnapped them I think the cameraman and guide who escaped would be doing daily stories from the place they were taken from. Also I don't think China and NKorea have a 'open border policy' where troops from either side can cross but I could be wrong. And then to know they worked for Al Gore's company? Hopefully he gets charged for any costs the US will incure to secure their release.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Lori no way are they going to do any hard time. I'm not sticking up for N.Korea just making the point these girls f'd up and now have put us in this situation of being forced to bargain with the little dictator in women's sunglasses. If they in fact N Korea crossed the border and kidnapped them I think the cameraman and guide who escaped would be doing daily stories from the place they were taken from. Also I don't think China and NKorea have a 'open border policy' where troops from either side can cross but I could be wrong. And then to know they worked for Al Gore's company? Hopefully he gets charged for any costs the US will incure to secure their release.

there is a very real possibility that the girls were dragged across the border by north korean guards which would make this a kidnapping. it wouldn't be the first time. and to suggest that the u.s. shouldn't attempt release for these two becasue they worked for al gore is laughable. as for the ones who escaped, yeah i'm sure they'd stay in that spot to run stories. you're forgetting that china and north korea are allies, no way china says anything about two americans getting taken. just because china has favored nation status trade-wise doesn't mean they have any love for americans.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

there is a very real possibility that the girls were dragged across the border by north korean guards which would make this a kidnapping. it wouldn't be the first time. and to suggest that the u.s. shouldn't attempt release for these two becasue they worked for al gore is laughable. as for the ones who escaped, yeah i'm sure they'd stay in that spot to run stories. you're forgetting that china and north korea are allies, no way china says anything about two americans getting taken. just because china has favored nation status trade-wise doesn't mean they have any love for americans.

it's funny for 8 years no one was taken from the other side of the board , yet we are 5 months in to a new administration , Kim wants to see if the new sheriff has any bullets in his gun !

whether they were kidnapped or were trespassing the bottom line is the phone is now riniging at 3AM and a decision has to be mad , surely no one here thinks they are going to the prison camps ..... the question is how do we get out of this by giving up the least as possible?

[notyep59]

Originally Posted by gales0678

it's funny for 8 years no one was taken from the other side of the board , yet we are 5 months in to a new administration , Kim wants to see if the new sheriff has any bullets in his gun !

whether they were kidnapped or were trespassing the bottom line is the phone is now riniging at 3AM and a decision has to be mad , surely no one here thinks they are going to the prison camps ..... the question is how do we get out of this by giving up the least as possible?

are you only eight years old or don't you remember what happened on your man's watch?? three planes?? bunch of dead americans??? ring a bell?? you guys are hilarious.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by notyep59

are you only eight years old or don't you remember what happened on your man's watch?? three planes?? bunch of dead americans??? ring a bell?? you guys are hilarious.

think the response to that was a little tougher than sending Al Gore but maybe being in a room with him is harsher than water boarding?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

it's funny for 8 years no one was taken from the other side of the board , yet we are 5 months in to a new administration , Kim wants to see if the new sheriff has any bullets in his gun !

whether they were kidnapped or were trespassing the bottom line is the phone is now riniging at 3AM and a decision has to be mad , surely no one here thinks they are going to the prison camps ..... the question is how do we get out of this by giving up the least as possible?

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...903344,00.html


this is actually a rather common occurrence with north korea. and i'm not quite sure why the comment 'they aren't going to a prison camp' keeps getting made-it's not as tho they're living the high life at a resort.

[dellinger63]

Time has featured Obama on its cover 14 times since Jan. 1. Newsweek was close behind, featuring the now-president-elect on 12 of its issues. Time has had 52 issues in 2008, so Obama has been featured on more than one-in-four of its covers, or about 27% of the time.

That number, though, goes even higher if you include how many times Obama has appeared in the "skybox" -- 11 times.

That means Obama's face or name has somehow made it onto the cover of Time just about half of the time this year (25 out of 52 issues -- 48%)

Sorry but it appears TIME has a less than 'fair and balanced' approach when dealing with Obama.

why don't the families come out and say it was a kidnapping? If in fact we do find it was DELTA Force should handle it not the inventor of the internet.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Time has featured Obama on its cover 14 times since Jan. 1. Newsweek was close behind, featuring the now-president-elect on 12 of its issues. Time has had 52 issues in 2008, so Obama has been featured on more than one-in-four of its covers, or about 27% of the time.

That number, though, goes even higher if you include how many times Obama has appeared in the "skybox" -- 11 times.

That means Obama's face or name has somehow made it onto the cover of Time just about half of the time this year (25 out of 52 issues -- 48%)

Sorry but it appears TIME has a less than 'fair and balanced' approach when dealing with Obama.

why don't the families come out and say it was a kidnapping? If in fact we do find it was DELTA Force should handle it not the inventor of the internet.

i wonder if those numbers are similar to the very beginning of every other presidents four years? or if it's just new presidents simultaneously fighting two inherited wars and a worldwide recession.
or maybe, like you suggested, it's a big obama love-fest. what all that has to do with a story about kidnappings perpetrated by north korea i don't know.

[Honu]

Dont forget that Ling's sister Lisa snuck into North Korea under the premise of being a eye doctors aid . She filmed some pretty wild stuff and Im sure the people in charge were not happy with it , so it wouldnt suprise me if they took the little sister to make a statement.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

there is a very real possibility that the girls were dragged across the border by north korean guards which would make this a kidnapping. it wouldn't be the first time. and to suggest that the u.s. shouldn't attempt release for these two becasue they worked for al gore is laughable. as for the ones who escaped, yeah i'm sure they'd stay in that spot to run stories. you're forgetting that china and north korea are allies, no way china says anything about two americans getting taken. just because china has favored nation status trade-wise doesn't mean they have any love for americans.

I didn't say that. I said we (The U.S.) should be reimbursed for the money it will cost to get them out. The same way a skier who decides to ski down a closed area is expected to reimburse emergency services called to rescue his dumb a $$.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

there is a very real possibility that the girls were dragged across the border by north korean guards which would make this a kidnapping. .

Well it turns out they did cross (for 30 seconds?) Obviously we could learn a great deal about border security from that little dictator.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Well it turns out they did cross (for 30 seconds?) Obviously we could learn a great deal about border security from that little dictator.

Good point!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

glad slick willy pulled a jessey j..you know he got a "happy ending" on the plane..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Well it turns out they did cross (for 30 seconds?) Obviously we could learn a great deal about border security from that little dictator.

oh yeah, cause years of hard labor is certainly the correct punishment for thirty seconds across an invisible line. the day we start taking pages out of the books of countries like north korea is the day we start to cease to exist as the land of the free.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Well it turns out they did cross (for 30 seconds?) Obviously we could learn a great deal about border security from that little dictator.

i just read this:


Christian activists who work on the North Korean border believe two American television reporters may have walked into a trap when they were detained in March and say their arrests led to a crackdown on refugees.

Mitchell Koss, 56, a television producer, and Kim Seong-chol, a Chinese-Korean guide, both escaped and were reportedly detained by Chinese police.

“There is a strong suspicion that he [the guide] was heavily involved and it was a trap,” said an experienced activist who has led dozens of refugees to safety. There has been no word of Kim.


Such suspicions are bolstered by a first-hand account given to The Sunday Times by an American missionary who was warned by Chinese police a month earlier that the North Koreans were trying to capture a foreign journalist.