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Old 06-08-2009, 03:15 PM
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Guess Huffington doesn't cover that subject?
Don't know. I tend to watch and read things directly, and form my own opinions, rather than depend upon others to tell me what to think.
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:19 PM
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If he is or isn't 'apoligizing" isn't the point to me..He should be in my mind for the last 8 years of a giant F-You to much of the World by the isolationists in charge here.
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:25 PM
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If he is or isn't 'apoligizing" isn't the point to me..He should be in my mind for the last 8 years of a giant F-You to much of the World by the isolationists in charge here.

Should we apologize for being the greatest nation in the world, for liberty and freedom, and basically helping out any country when it asks for help? Should we apologize for liberating Europe in WWII? How about for pouring tons of money into African AIDS programs to educate and help the pandemic?

Whether or not we have made mistakes in the past, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go to every country and apologize for us. It makes us look weak to our enemies and to our allies. And it is very disrespectful to all 300 million living in the US and everyone who has ever fought for our freedom.
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:28 PM
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Should we apologize for being the greatest nation in the world, for liberty and freedom, and basically helping out any country when it asks for help? Should we apologize for liberating Europe in WWII? How about for pouring tons of money into African AIDS programs to educate and help the pandemic?

Whether or not we have made mistakes in the past, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go to every country and apologize for us. It makes us look weak to our enemies and to our allies. And it is very disrespectful to all 300 million living in the US and everyone who has ever fought for our freedom.
I don't know Lori..when I make a mistake, I apoligize, no matter how great a guy I might be or what I've done for anyone, etc...same thing. It's not demeaning to say you're sorry, it's not a weakness..it's a strength.
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:28 PM
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Whether or not we have made mistakes in the past, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go to every country and apologize for us. .
Thus you'd think we'd be able to find a few concrete examples of Obama having done that.
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:30 PM
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He really comes off as a big p.ussy. Apologies or not.
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He really comes off as a big p.ussy. Apologies or not.

Leave it to Coach to spell it out in such a simple, truthfull way.
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Old 06-08-2009, 06:43 PM
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Leave it to Coach to spell it out in such a simple, truthfull way.
Yeah damn straight.
Just beat your woman over the head
with a club and pull her by the hair to
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Brute ignorance (or strength).
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Old 06-08-2009, 07:22 PM
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The president chose Arab television, Al Arabiya, to give his first sit down interview. He took the opportunity to confirm the long held Arab view that the real problem is America and President Obama apologized on our behalf.
I found what the person above must be talking about - good lord, what a whacky interpretion!

Transcript from the interview (not the whole thing):

Q: Absolutely. Let me take a broader look at the whole region. You are planning to address the Muslim world in your first 100 days from a Muslim capital. And everybody is speculating about the capital. (Laughter) If you have anything further, that would be great. How concerned are you -- because, let me tell you, honestly, when I see certain things about America -- in some parts, I don't want to exaggerate -- there is a demonization of America.

THE PRESIDENT: Absolutely.

Q: It's become like a new religion, and like a new religion it has new converts -- like a new religion has its own high priests.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q: It's only a religious text.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q: And in the last -- since 9/11 and because of Iraq, that alienation is wider between the Americans and -- and in generations past, the United States was held high. It was the only Western power with no colonial legacy.

THE PRESIDENT: Right.

Q: How concerned are you and -- because people sense that you have a different political discourse. And I think, judging by (inaudible) and
Zawahiri and Osama bin Laden and all these, you know -- a chorus --

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, I noticed this. They seem nervous.

Q: They seem very nervous, exactly. Now, tell me why they should be more nervous?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I think that when you look at the rhetoric that they've been using against me before I even took office --

Q: I know, I know.

THE PRESIDENT: -- what that tells me is that their ideas are bankrupt. There's no actions that they've taken that say a child in the Muslim world is getting a better education because of them, or has better health care because of them.

In my inauguration speech, I spoke about: You will be judged on what you've built, not what you've destroyed. And what they've been doing is destroying things. And over time, I think the Muslim world has recognized that that path is leading no place, except more death and destruction.

Now, my job is to communicate the fact that the United States has a stake in the well-being of the Muslim world that the language we use has to be a language of respect. I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim countries.

Q: The largest one.

THE PRESIDENT: The largest one, Indonesia. And so what I want to
communicate is the fact that in all my travels throughout the Muslim world, what I've come to understand is that regardless of your faith -- and America is a country of Muslims, Jews, Christians, non-believers -- regardless of your faith, people all have certain common hopes and common dreams.

And my job is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives. My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect. But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore that. Andthat I think is going to be an important task.

But ultimately, people are going to judge me not by my words but by my actions and my administration's actions. And I think that what you will see over the next several years is that I'm not going to agree with everything that some Muslim leader may say, or what's on a television station in the Arab world -- but I think that what you'll see is somebody who is listening, who is respectful, and who is trying to promote the interests not just of the United States, but also ordinary people who right now are suffering from poverty and a lack of opportunity. I want to make sure that I'm speaking to them, as well.

Q: Tell me, time is running out, any decision on from where you will be visiting the Muslim world?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, I'm not going to break the news right here.

Q: Afghanistan?

THE PRESIDENT: But maybe next time. But it is something that is going to be important. I want people to recognize, though, that we are going to be making a series of initiatives. Sending George Mitchell to the Middle East is fulfilling my campaign promise that we're not going to wait until the end of my administration to deal with Palestinian and Israeli peace, we're going to start now. It may take a long time to do, but we're going to do it now.

We're going to follow through on our commitment for me to address the Muslim world from a Muslim capital. We are going to follow through on many of my commitments to do a more effective job of reaching out, listening, as well as speaking to the Muslim world.

And you're going to see me following through with dealing with a drawdown of troops in Iraq, so that Iraqis can start taking more responsibility. And finally, I think you've already seen a commitment, in terms of closing Guantanamo, and making clear that even as we are decisive in going after terrorist organizations that would kill innocent civilians, that we're going to do so on our terms, and we're going to do so respecting the rule of law that I think makes America great.

Q: President Bush framed the war on terror conceptually in a way that was very broad, "war on terror," and used sometimes certain terminology that the many people -- Islamic fascism. You've always framed it in a different way, specifically against one group called al Qaeda and their collaborators. And is this one way of --

THE PRESIDENT: I think that you're making a very important point. And that is that the language we use matters. And what we need to understand is, is that there are extremist organizations -- whether Muslim or any other faith in the past -- that will use faith as a justification for violence. We cannot paint with a broad brush a faith as a consequence of the violence that is done in that faith's name.

And so you will I think see our administration be very clear in
distinguishing between organizations like al Qaeda -- that espouse violence, espouse terror and act on it -- and people who may disagree with my administration and certain actions, or may have a particular viewpoint in terms of how their countries should develop. We can have legitimate disagreements but still be respectful. I cannot respect terrorist organizations that would kill innocent civilians and we will hunt them down.

But to the broader Muslim world what we are going to be offering is a hand of friendship.
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Old 06-08-2009, 09:01 PM
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Yeah damn straight.
Just beat your woman over the head
with a club and pull her by the hair to
the sex cave.

Very simple, very effective.
Brute ignorance (or strength).
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:20 PM
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Don't know. I tend to watch and read things directly, and form my own opinions, rather than depend upon others to tell me what to think.




hilarious
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Old 06-08-2009, 03:29 PM
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hilarious
I know, it's a strange concept for you to imagine
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