Obama wrong yet again

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I want to know how we get respect when our President over and over just apologizes for his county. For OUR country. Its really making me sick.

Where does he "over and over apologizes for his country?" What are you talking about?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Where does he "over and over apologizes for his country?" What are you talking about?

The president chose Arab television, Al Arabiya, to give his first sit down interview. He took the opportunity to confirm the long held Arab view that the real problem is America and President Obama apologized on our behalf.

At the annual World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland, the president's confidant and advisor Valery Jarrett continued with apologies. This time to the world's business and political movers and shakers.

Ms. Jarrett told the crowd that this economic crisis did not occur by "happenstance" but is the result of our "profound irresponsibility."


Our new president is a man of action as well as a man of words, so while he and his staff apologized to the world for who we have been, he began the task at home to make us a different country.


The latest examples have come on his visits to Central and South America. First, Obama said that the United States is responsible for a huge portion – as much as 90 percent – of the guns being used by Mexican drug smugglers. As a matter of demonstrable fact, that is absolutely, positively wrong. Second, Obama warmly greeted Venezuela’s radical leftist dictator, Hugo Chavez, and then indicated he would open a more extensive dialogue with Chavez. Obama’s act looked terribly obsequious in light of Chavez’ “gift” to Obama of a four-decade-old book (“Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent,” by Uruguayan author Eduardo Galeano) that virulently assails the United States.

After that, Obama sat nearly mute as Nicaragua Communist leader Daniel Ortega made a rabble-rousing speech viciously castigating the United States. Obama’s most forceful response to that was that Latin Americans shouldn’t blame him personally for things (such as the Bay of Pigs fiasco) that happened way back in the year of his birth. In other words, the message wasn’t to defend the United States, but instead effectively to ratify the notion that the United States is evil while washing his own hands of any responsibility for the supposed evil. Again, this is not the behavior the American people have a right to expect from their president. Indeed, it is the polar opposite of what we have a right to expect.

is that enough?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The president chose Arab television, Al Arabiya, to give his first sit down interview. He took the opportunity to confirm the long held Arab view that the real problem is America and President Obama apologized on our behalf.

At the annual World Economic Forum meeting in Davos, Switzerland, the president's confidant and advisor Valery Jarrett continued with apologies. This time to the world's business and political movers and shakers.

Ms. Jarrett told the crowd that this economic crisis did not occur by "happenstance" but is the result of our "profound irresponsibility."


Our new president is a man of action as well as a man of words, so while he and his staff apologized to the world for who we have been, he began the task at home to make us a different country.


The latest examples have come on his visits to Central and South America. First, Obama said that the United States is responsible for a huge portion – as much as 90 percent – of the guns being used by Mexican drug smugglers. As a matter of demonstrable fact, that is absolutely, positively wrong. Second, Obama warmly greeted Venezuela’s radical leftist dictator, Hugo Chavez, and then indicated he would open a more extensive dialogue with Chavez. Obama’s act looked terribly obsequious in light of Chavez’ “gift” to Obama of a four-decade-old book (“Open Veins of Latin America: Five Centuries of the Pillage of a Continent,” by Uruguayan author Eduardo Galeano) that virulently assails the United States.

After that, Obama sat nearly mute as Nicaragua Communist leader Daniel Ortega made a rabble-rousing speech viciously castigating the United States. Obama’s most forceful response to that was that Latin Americans shouldn’t blame him personally for things (such as the Bay of Pigs fiasco) that happened way back in the year of his birth. In other words, the message wasn’t to defend the United States, but instead effectively to ratify the notion that the United States is evil while washing his own hands of any responsibility for the supposed evil. Again, this is not the behavior the American people have a right to expect from their president. Indeed, it is the polar opposite of what we have a right to expect.

is that enough?

If you are going to quote from other sources ( when was the last time you used the word "obsequious" in a sentence), can you list what they are?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by GBBob

If you are going to quote from other sources ( when was the last time you used the word "obsequious" in a sentence), can you list what they are?

Lol, because the first part at least is from WND and an article by Star Parker.

You can't attribute WND or Star Parker as a source or you'll get laughed out of the room.

They're like HuffPo on dishonest steroids.

I would say I'm with Riot in wanting to actually see some apologies before blasting him for having apologized...but why worry about things like direct quotes when Star Parker and Worldnet Daily are here to tell you how things actually are.

LOLZ

[Riot]

We don't need Star Parker, WND or the HuffPost's interpretations, we have the actual transcript of Obamas real words to discuss. Let's see what parts people don't like.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Riot

We don't need Star Parker, WND or the HuffPost's interpretations, we have the actual transcript of Obamas real words to discuss. Let's see what parts people don't like.

I'm with you completely. It's not an "apology tour" because crazy Star Parker says it's so. The lack of direct quotations is telling.

http://ifawebnews.com/2009/05/27/oba...surance-plans/

Yup, right from the horse’s mouth, comes this statement that the Obama Administration believes that cutting brokers out of the health insurance equation is the right thing to do.

Nancy-Ann DeParle, President Obama’s director of White House of Health Reform, speaking during a recent media briefing, said of health care reform: “A public plan is something that’s sponsored by the government, and therefore has very low or almost nonexistent administrative costs, compared to others. It doesn’t have the need to have brokers out selling; it wouldn’t have the need to have a lot of costs and profits, the way private plans would. So it has that advantage.”

This from an Oxford- and Harvard-educated professional who served under President Clinton as head of the Health Financing Administration, which today is known as the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Studies.

It sounds as if some of the old Hillary-Healthcare speak is back in practice.

Yes the administrative costs for Medicare are tremendously low.

And 1-800-Medicare has grate customer service. Just ask your grandparents!!

What do they expect the thousands of health insurance agents to do?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Lol, because the first part at least is from WND and an article by Star Parker.

You can't attribute WND or Star Parker as a source or you'll get laughed out of the room.

They're like HuffPo on dishonest steroids.

I would say I'm with Riot in wanting to actually see some apologies before blasting him for having apologized...but why worry about things like direct quotes when Star Parker and Worldnet Daily are here to tell you how things actually are.

LOLZ

what do u think of the white house asking the supreme court not to hear the case about dont ask dont tell?

he's going to lose a lot of votes if he keeps flip flopping on gay rights.

Here is a direct quote, while he doesnt use the terms "I'm sorry", he is often critical of our great country. Maybe I should have used "tour of criticism" instead of "apology tour". for that I apologize for being an arrogant american.

"there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive"

there are many other quotes though. I'll leave them to Dell!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what do u think of the white house asking the supreme court not to hear the case about dont ask dont tell?

he's going to lose a lot of votes if he keeps flip flopping on gay rights.

Here is a direct quote, while he doesnt use the terms "I'm sorry", he is often critical of our great country. Maybe I should have used "tour of criticism" instead of "apology tour". for that I apologize for being an arrogant american.

"there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive"

there are many other quotes though. I'll leave them to Dell!

Is it that he admitted it that bothers you, or that you don't actually believe that to be true?

If it's the former, then we see apologizing in a different way because I think admitting your faults is noble. If it's the latter, I think you're delusional.

And I'm conflicted on DADT and how he's going about it. I'm not his biggest fan right now by any remote stretch based on that issue and other similar ones...but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Is it that he admitted it that bothers you, or that you don't actually believe that to be true?

If it's the former, then we see apologizing in a different way because I think admitting your faults is noble. If it's the latter, I think you're delusional.

And I'm conflicted on DADT and how he's going about it. I'm not his biggest fan right now by any remote stretch based on that issue and other similar ones...but I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

Its the former. Admitting your faults to your own country is one thing.. criticizing your country to the rest of the world is another. It is insulting to us and makes us look weak. But we wont see eye to eye on this no matter how long we go back and forth. Thats one of the great things about being American.


I didnt really like the whole "we are fine with kicking gays out of the military" line the white house gave today. not an exact quote but thats what it meant.

But I gotta jet have a good night my fellow citizen!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Here is a direct quote, while he doesnt use the terms "I'm sorry", he is often critical of our great country. Maybe I should have used "tour of criticism" instead of "apology tour". for that I apologize for being an arrogant american.

"there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive"

there are many other quotes though. I'll leave them to Dell!

What did you think about Obama then immediately attacking Europe for it's anti-Americanism, and pointing out what good our great country has done? And telling Europe they are dependent upon America?

He gets no credit for standing up for America on the world stage?

Sorry - this doesn't seem a "tour of apology" to me.

It's acknowledging that what you even agree are basic truths - where we are in the world right now.

"In America, there is a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

But in Europe, there is an anti-Americanism that is at once casual, but can also be insidious. Instead of recognising the good that America so often does in the world, there have been times where Europeans choose to blame America for much of what is bad. On both sides of the Atlantic, these attitudes have become all too common. They are not wise. They do not represent the truth. They threaten to widen the divide across the Atlantic and leave us both more isolated.

They fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth that America cannot confront the challenges of this century alone, but that Europe cannot confront them without America."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

is that enough?

No Dell, that's nonsensical Quote me Obamas words, not some unattributed right-wing editorialists' opinion.

[Riot]

The president chose Arab television, Al Arabiya, to give his first sit down interview. He took the opportunity to confirm the long held Arab view that the real problem is America and President Obama apologized on our behalf.

Here's the full text of that TV interview (at the bottom under "transcript")
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/01/27/65087.html

Can someone quote me the "apologized on our behalf" part? I can't seem to find it.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Where does he "over and over apologizes for his country?" What are you talking about?

are you fucl<ing kidding me? He's been on an apology tour since he's been elected. I'm not even going to waste my time pasting quotes. You can look up what he says for yourself, or maybe listen to his speeches.

[Antitrust32]

Del, he even apologized for us in his speech in Germany last week. Maybe he should have mentioned that Germany and most of Europe would still be controlled by Nazi's if it wasnt for the good ol' US of A.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

are you fucl<ing kidding me? He's been on an apology tour since he's been elected. I'm not even going to waste my time pasting quotes. You can look up what he says for yourself, or maybe listen to his speeches.

No, I'm not fucl<ing kidding you. I've read all his speeches. "An apology tour" isn't there.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

are you fucl<ing kidding me? He's been on an apology tour since he's been elected. I'm not even going to waste my time pasting quotes. You can look up what he says for yourself, or maybe listen to his speeches.

Guess Huffington doesn't cover that subject?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Guess Huffington doesn't cover that subject?

Don't know. I tend to watch and read things directly, and form my own opinions, rather than depend upon others to tell me what to think.

[GBBob]

If he is or isn't 'apoligizing" isn't the point to me..He should be in my mind for the last 8 years of a giant F-You to much of the World by the isolationists in charge here.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GBBob

If he is or isn't 'apoligizing" isn't the point to me..He should be in my mind for the last 8 years of a giant F-You to much of the World by the isolationists in charge here.

Should we apologize for being the greatest nation in the world, for liberty and freedom, and basically helping out any country when it asks for help? Should we apologize for liberating Europe in WWII? How about for pouring tons of money into African AIDS programs to educate and help the pandemic?

Whether or not we have made mistakes in the past, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason to go to every country and apologize for us. It makes us look weak to our enemies and to our allies. And it is very disrespectful to all 300 million living in the US and everyone who has ever fought for our freedom.