friesan fire excuse

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i seriously doubt that his grabbed quarter was bad at all-he lost no training time, so it couldn't have been serious. if it was serious, then they had no business running him back. i think that injury was overblown and had no bearing on his derby loss.the horse ran 1 1/16th in his last derby start. how they thought that as a final prep, and seven weeks to the derby was the way to get that colt prepared to run 10f i don't know-imo that's a far bigger reason for his lackluster performance than any supposed quarter injury.

Didn't he also come out of the Derby, not only with the quarter grab, but with cuts on three legs, and a piece of vetwrap from another horses' leg wrap in his shoe? This horse was validly banged up in the Derby, from what I've read <g>

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Didn't he also come out of the Derby, not only with the quarter grab, but with cuts on three legs, and a piece of vetwrap from another horses' leg wrap in his shoe? This horse was validly banged up in the Derby, from what I've read <g>

one more time.

if his injuries were so dammed serious, why did he miss NO training and run back in two weeks?! either they did him a disservice in running him back, or his 'injuries' were overblown. i don't know why i'm still having to explain that point.

there is no way he was that banged up considering the fourteen days after.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

one more time.

if his injuries were so dammed serious, why did he miss NO training and run back in two weeks?! either they did him a disservice in running him back, or his 'injuries' were overblown. i don't know why i'm still having to explain that point.

there is no way he was that banged up considering the fourteen days after.

You might consider that your two options are not the only possibility.

If you are a horse are running in a race, and your legs are getting repeatedly struck and stung by horseshoes, other horses legs, you might back off and not do your best at that moment, too. Yet come out of the race cut and bruised, even with a stinging quarter grab, but pretty much are okay in a day or so when the cuts heal and the immediate bruising to the bone is cooled and the anti-inflammatories are on board. Especially when they check you out and you x-ray sound.

I don't know why I'm having to explain this point.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't know why I'm having to explain this point.

I wouldn't mind if you stopped, ma'am.

I think my brain has a stress fracture now. But I don't have the money to find out.

[Riot]

My apologies for not being on the conspiracy bandwagon. Carry on

[Danzig]

i think this is the main reason friesan fire lost (from bloodhorse, may 2nd edition):

...he (ff) hasn't shown the ability to run better than 1:13 for three-quarters in either two-turn race. (the derby 3/4 time was 1:12).

and: based on the numbers, he must take a big step forward.


what amazes me is that the guy who wrote that picked friesan fire to win-it seems from reading the rest of the write-up, that choice was due to the pedigree, and the fact that jones got hard spun to a runner-up finish. my reply would be that this horse is no hard spun.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I think my brain has a stress fracture now. But I don't have the money to find out.

It amazes me that owners would not want to spend $1000 on testing a million dollar horse, especially in the midst of the Triple Crown. More importantly, were those Desert Party's wraps in his shoe?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

It amazes me that owners would not want to spend $1000 on testing a million dollar horse, especially in the midst of the Triple Crown. More importantly, were those Desert Party's wraps in his shoe?

it was pioneer of the niles as far as they know-he had a hole in one of his bandages.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it was pioneer of the niles as far as they know-he had a hole in one of his bandages.

As I recall, Desert Party was the one dragging wraps behind him. But I liked them both.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by chucklestheclown

It amazes me that owners would not want to spend $1000 on testing a million dollar horse, especially in the midst of the Triple Crown. More importantly, were those Desert Party's wraps in his shoe?

Well, at Churchill they have to work in the morning, transport a good hour or more, get sedated (those last two risk picking up a little respiratory thing, accidents, bumps/bruises, etc), transport back, get the travel/health certs from the vet to be ready to go, and now the horse is tired as he didn't get to rest or nap or lay down all day, he was shuttling in the hot van all day, not eating, not drinking water, etc.

It's much easier - and such a thing is used much more - when such a facility is literally right next door to the track. You still have the $$$ cost.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

You might consider that your two options are not the only possibility.

If you are a horse are running in a race, and your legs are getting repeatedly struck and stung by horseshoes, other horses legs, you might back off and not do your best at that moment, too. Yet come out of the race cut and bruised, even with a stinging quarter grab, but pretty much are okay in a day or so when the cuts heal and the immediate bruising to the bone is cooled and the anti-inflammatories are on board. Especially when they check you out and you x-ray sound.

I don't know why I'm having to explain this point.

probably because i'm stubborn and hard-headed. and til your post, no one had put it that way. thanks.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

probably because i'm stubborn and hard-headed. and til your post, no one had put it that way. thanks.

But that's why we're friends - takes one to know one